Player Discussion: Adam Fantilli

[stevo61]

Man I cant wait until Fantilli fakes his way to captain, gets 14 mil a year and then quits on the team.

 

[Farmboy Patty]

Man I cant wait until Fantilli fakes his way to captain, gets 14 mil a year and then quits on the team.

He should be traded for 1st rd picks and then go for a tank so that we might get the first pick and get a franchise center, go through a rebuild and be contenders in 8 years!

 

[Cowumbus]

Man I cant wait until Fantilli fakes his way to captain, gets 14 mil a year and then quits on the team.

Trade for a #1D
Then trade that D 3 years later for B prospects
Finish 12th OA
Posper

Not sure what more you can ask for really

 

[koteka]

Being concerned about the fallout is fine, I am too, but just downright assuming Fantilli-CBJ relationship is going to be ruined over this already is a bit of a stretch, no?

This is what I know:

We draft a great prospect who is excited to be here.

We hire a psychopath as a coach without much due diligence.

Psycopathpic coach played weird mind games with young guys, which very likely included the great prospect (and for all we know, also his good friend and college teammate).

Team leaders defend psychopath.

Psychopath is praised by leadership after he resigns.

koteka wonders about the impact of this on future negotiations with great prospect.

People think koteka is wrong because we are the Jackets and we never have weird negotiations with young kids. This is just like everyone said he was wrong about Gavrikov not staying with the Jackets or that time a couple of days ago when a bunch of people thought koteka was wrong when he said you shouldn’t ask to see your employee’s pictures on their phones.

 

[squashmaple]

This is what I know:

We draft a great prospect who is excited to be here.

We hire a psychopath as a coach without much due diligence.

Psycopathpic coach played weird mind games with young guys, which very likely included the great prospect (and for all we know, also his good friend and college teammate).

Team leaders defend psychopath.

Psychopath is praised by leadership after he resigns.

koteka wonders about the impact of this on future negotiations with great prospect.

People think koteka is wrong because we are the Jackets and we never have weird negotiations with young kids. This is just like everyone said he was wrong about Gavrikov not staying with the Jackets or that time a couple of days ago when a bunch of people thought koteka was wrong when he said you shouldn’t ask to see your employee’s pictures on their phones.

My goodness, that martyr’s cross must be heavy. You’re welcome to put it down. Save your back.

Also, it is very clear the “praise” of Babcock in the statement was praise of how easy he made the resignation process, not praise of him himself.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

koteka wonders about the impact of this on future negotiations with great prospect.

You aren’t wondering. I wouldn’t be saying these things if you were just expressing concern. I have it too.

You are playing out the most extreme scenarios. Some of which aren’t even realistic.

 

[LJ7]

We have enough real concerns as is, so I don't see the point of those doomer fantasies

 

[koteka]

Do negotiations work that way?

It will be Fantilli’s agent’s job to use every angle he has to get his client the best contract possible.

Fantilli’s agent’s compensation is directly tied to the contracts he negotiates. Fantilli’s agent’s ability to attract future clients depends on his ability to negotiate good contracts for his current clients.

 

[koteka]

You aren’t wondering. I wouldn’t be saying these things if you were just expressing concern. I have it too.

You are playing out the most extreme scenarios. Some of which aren’t even realistic.

FYI -there is a lot of hyperbole there. But most of this board seems to think there is no downside to keeping Jarmo, so I am throwing it out there.

 

[traffic cone]

Man I cant wait until Fantilli fakes his way to captain, gets 14 mil a year and then quits on the team.

Like I said. I hope that doesn’t happen.

But that kind of stuff is getting more and more common with these young stars in the league.

 

[squashmaple]

Like I said. I hope that doesn’t happen.

But that kind of stuff is getting more and more common with these young stars in the league.

Quite frankly? Good. I love that the young players today are their own advocates, I love that they are questioning “the way it’s always been,” and I love that they have a mercenary approach. Teams have spent a century treating players like fungible assets instead of people; players don’t owe them any loyalty when teams have never shown any to players. Get your bag, Gen Z.

 

[Viqsi]

This is what I know:

We draft a great prospect who is excited to be here.

We hire a psychopath as a coach without much due diligence.

Psycopathpic coach played weird mind games with young guys, which very likely included the great prospect (and for all we know, also his good friend and college teammate).

Team leaders defend psychopath.

Psychopath is praised by leadership after he resigns.

koteka wonders about the impact of this on future negotiations with great prospect.

People think koteka is wrong because we are the Jackets and we never have weird negotiations with young kids. This is just like everyone said he was wrong about Gavrikov not staying with the Jackets or that time a couple of days ago when a bunch of people thought koteka was wrong when he said you shouldn’t ask to see your employee’s pictures on their phones.

Holy hell, hon. thebus doesn't get this far off into the weeds and he at least has useful insight on whatever players aren't the Hate Target Of The Day.

 

[traffic cone]

Quite frankly? Good. I love that the young players today are their own advocates, I love that they are questioning “the way it’s always been,” and I love that they have a mercenary approach. Teams have spent a century treating players like fungible assets instead of people; players don’t owe them any loyalty when teams have never shown any to players. Get your bag, Gen Z.

I’m not against players getting their bag.

Eichel and Tavares were examples of players bailing their teams because they weren’t big enough to lead their original team to success. Nothing to do with money.

Believe me, I’m fully team Lindsay and not team Howe when it comes to the players rights. I’d also wish unions in general were stronger in the NA (but probably can’t say something like that out loud without getting called a socialist).

 

[koteka]

Holy hell, hon. thebus doesn't get this far off into the weeds and he at least has useful insight on whatever players aren't the Hate Target Of The Day.

We don’t know how young players are going to process what has happened in Columbus. Training camp is starting and they are going to be too busy. But a year from now, when they have some time to think, it will be interesting what they start to realize. Especially when they are hanging out with friends from other teams.

If you put young people in bad situations and don’t punish the people who led to the bad situations, there will be repercussions.

 

[stevo61]

I’m not against players getting their bag.

Eichel and Tavares were examples of players bailing their teams because they weren’t big enough to lead their original team to success. Nothing to do with money.

Believe me, I’m fully team Lindsay and not team Howe when it comes to the players rights. I’d also wish unions in general were stronger in the NA (but probably can’t say something like that out loud without getting called a socialist).

If you think the Eichel situation was all to do with leading a team and nothing to do with the team controlling what surgery he can have done on his neck you are out to lunch. They also built garbage teams where most of the time Eichel was the only good player. Terrible owners, management, coaches and taking control over something that can hugely affect your post hockey life, anyone would be pissed

 

[traffic cone]

If you think the Eichel situation was all to do with leading a team and nothing to do with the team controlling what surgery he can have done on his neck you are out to lunch. They also built garbage teams where most of the time Eichel was the only good player. Terrible owners, management, coaches and taking control over something that can hugely affect your post hockey life, anyone would be pissed

Buffalo’s dressing room was horrible already before that surgery stuff. And GM Eichel was the leader there.

I’ve heard Mikko Rantanen praise many times how amazing leaders Nathan MacKinnon and Gabriel Landeskog are. The opposite can be said about Eichel (source: certain Finnish defender).

 

[Indy18]

My goodness, that martyr’s cross must be heavy. You’re welcome to put it down. Save your back.

Also, it is very clear the “praise” of Babcock in the statement was praise of how easy he made the resignation process, not praise of him himself.

I have no doubt in my mind that part of the exit agreement would be a "kiss ass" statement like that. Babcock absolutely would had negotiated that and CBJ would obviously agree to it as Babcock actually did hold some of the cards with this firing.

 

[squashmaple]

I have no doubt in my mind that part of the exit agreement would be a "kiss ass" statement like that. Babcock absolutely would had negotiated that and CBJ would obviously agree to it as Babcock actually did hold some of the cards with this firing.

A true sociopath's sociopath. You almost have to admire it.

 

[Halberdier]

Buffalo’s dressing room was horrible already before that surgery stuff. And GM Eichel was the leader there.

I’ve heard Mikko Rantanen praise many times how amazing leaders Nathan MacKinnon and Gabriel Landeskog are. The opposite can be said about Eichel (source: certain Finnish defender).

Eichel is Eichel, MacKinnon & Langeskog are MacKinnon & Landeskog.

There is absolutely no reason to speculate if Fantilli ends up being "Eichel" rather than "Landeskog" as a leader. Let him play a couple of seasons first before these wild speculations about possible attitude problems.

 

[Viqsi]

Eichel is Eichel, MacKinnon & Langeskog are MacKinnon & Landeskog.

There is absolutely no reason to speculate if Fantilli ends up being "Eichel" rather than "Landeskog" as a leader. Let him play a couple of seasons first before these wild speculations about possible attitude problems.

but but but but we need to double down on the negative now while everybody's still depressed about the Babcock thing!

 

[traffic cone]

People got way too defensive here.

I just said I HOPE everything goes well. I hope he’s a Jaccob Slavin type leader. Not a Matt Duchene or a Mark Scheifele.

He’s probably the most exciting player in the whole league for me right now. Big, strong, skilled, fast, gritty (Canadian) center. Potentially the face of this franchise for the next 15-20 years.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

kid hasn’t even played a preseason game yet, btw

 

[cbjthrowaway]

There is absolutely no reason to speculate if Fantilli ends up being "Eichel" rather than "Landeskog" as a leader. Let him play a couple of seasons first before these wild speculations about possible attitude problems.

actually i need someone to explain it to me in animal farm terms. is adam fantilli the lenin pig, or the trotsky pig?

 

[MAHJ71]

 

[squashmaple]

I was able to catch that question when I tuned in on my lunch. Portzline went into a lot of detail. The kid comes from a great family from what it sounds like.