Player Discussion: Adam Fantilli

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Projecting Fantilli’s point total is difficult because it’s partially dependent on his usage. For me success would be 45-52 points, maybe slightly higher if he finds himself on a line with Johnny Hockey for 40%+ of the games.
 
Depending on his usage, I could see anywhere between 50-70. If I was forced to guess a number, I'd probably say about 57 sounded right.
 
Projecting Fantilli’s point total is difficult because it’s partially dependent on his usage. For me success would be 45-52 points, maybe slightly higher if he finds himself on a line with Johnny Hockey for 40%+ of the games.
Johnson got 40 without those minutes or linemates for much of the year. I think Fantilli starts on the 3rd line but for how long is yet to be determined. That said I still expect around 50ish points, leaning more to the over
 
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You can tell from the transition numbers that he was less relied on at Michigan, but I'd be more mindful about the transition success rates being close to average in both cases.
Eh I don’t really care. Transition success rate doesn’t take in to consideration schemes, teammate ability and more.

Bensons is even lower and I don’t really worry about his transition ability either.
 
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Eh I don’t really care. Transition success rate doesn’t take in to consideration schemes, teammate ability and more.

Bensons is even lower and I don’t really worry about his transition ability either.


Fair point. What do you expect from Fantilli in transition? What do you see him doing well / not doing well? Any expectation for the frequency of turnovers?
 
Fair point. What do you expect from Fantilli in transition? What do you see him doing well / not doing well? Any expectation for the frequency of turnovers?
Not asked to me, but I'd love to see fantilli use that straight away speed to deep it deep and then pound someonein the corner to get it
 
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Fair point. What do you expect from Fantilli in transition? What do you see him doing well / not doing well? Any expectation for the frequency of turnovers?
Well in an ideal world I think you’d want him to pick up pucks in the Dzone then outlet to a winger as soon as possible, then pick up speed through the neutral zone and get a pass going into the ozone (which is why Brindley was a luxury). We don’t want him to dangle in transition: I do not expect him to have the Lambert/Roslovic/Johnson ability to beat multiple guys going up the ice in transition. If he wants to do that, then the transition success % probably will be in the 0.0-.75 z score range. However, if he wants to try and transition the puck by himself, I expect Babcock will suggest a lot more dump and chase chip ins off the halfwall - and I think he could be extremely effective picking up pucks on the forecheck. His speed combined with an active stick will be problematic for the opposing defenseman.

Which kind of makes me think about the transition success rates on the player cards.. first, I think the success rate is a little subjective to begin with. If you chip a puck in but lose the board battle down low it’s written up as a loss of possession. But if it’s a 50/50 puck and stays in the zone with help from forechecking teammates, is it still considered a success? If you lose the puck but a turnover is created due to limited time/space (as a result of your applied pressure) is that just as valuable as stick handling across the line? Up for interpretation
 
What are honestly the realistic expectations for Fantillis rookie season?

Been looking at the stats again and I think there should be some expectations on him, out of respect for how elite he was this past season.

B.Tkachuk scored 31 points in 40 games in his draft season and then scored 45 points in 71 games in his rookie season.

Eichel scored 71 points in 40 games in his draft season and then 56 points in 81 games in his rookie season.

Fantilli is physically atleast as ready as both of them and his skating is also clearly NHL ready.
He’s also clearly going into the best situation out of the 3 with the best support group/coaching.

Johnson scored 37 points in 32 games in his +1 season and we saw his rookie season
Beniers scored 43 points in 37 games in his +1 season and then scored 57 points in his rookie season.

Zegras scored 36 points in 33 games in his +1 season and then scored 13 points in 24 games in his 1st pro season.

They aren’t as good comps as the 1st 2 but show how their offensive production translated into NHL.

Depends where in the lineup he plays. If he's in the top 6 and gets PP time then 60-70 pts sounds possible in a full season.
 
If Babcock is as analytical and detail oriented as he has been in the past he's going to get the most out of not only every player but every line and unit on the ice based on situation and opponent. So, to me, that tells me Fantilli will be not only put in the best position possible but also use his strengths (speed, skill) by putting him with a playmaker and creative linemates. I don't think he needs protected due to his size and strength as much as we have KJ, for example. I think somewhere around 55 pts would be a very successful season and taking more ice time as the year moves on.
 
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If Babcock is as analytical and detail oriented as he has been in the past he's going to get the most out of not only every player but every line and unit on the ice based on situation and opponent. So, to me, that tells me Fantilli will be not only put in the best position possible but also use his strengths (speed, skill) by putting him with a playmaker and creative linemates. I don't think he needs protected due to his size and strength as much as we have KJ, for example. I think somewhere around 55 pts would be a very successful season and taking more ice time as the year moves on.
I still think he starts on the 3rd line, but hopefully earns his way into the top 6 quickly.
 
I know this thread has been quiet for a little bit but something thats been bothering me and watching his highlights its very evident again is how little people talk about his playmaking. I think its highly underrated and is actually a big positive to his game and shows his solid hockey IQ and not the conerning IQ some have fears of
 
I know this thread has been quiet for a little bit but something thats been bothering me and watching his highlights its very evident again is how little people talk about his playmaking. I think its highly underrated and is actually a big positive to his game and shows his solid hockey IQ and not the conerning IQ some have fears of
To me in my extremely limited viewing


He has a very linear game I love. The puck is always moving towards the net fairly directly with purpose.

I don’t see that as lack of hockey iq rather good coaching
 
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Eichel had 56 year 1. MacKinnon 63. McDavid paced for 87.

70 points is a lot. Especially when the Jackets finished with an average of 2.6 G/GP last year (30th).

He's looking like an Eichel level prospect so it's pretty reasonable. Depends a lot on usage. If he's in top 6 he can reach that
 
Eichel had 56 year 1. MacKinnon 63. McDavid paced for 87.

70 points is a lot. Especially when the Jackets finished with an average of 2.6 G/GP last year (30th).
I put him in the 50-60 range but I dont think more is impossible. The league is higher scoring and those guys were near leading their team in scoring with those numbers.

Im gonna go out on a limb and say we score a bit more this year also
 
I put him in the 50-60 range but I dont think more is impossible. The league is higher scoring and those guys were near leading their team in scoring with those numbers.

Im gonna go out on a limb and say we score a bit more this year also

Yeah this is where I'm coming from

Fantilli is starting in a much better team than Eichel did, so that can work for him or against him when it comes to points. Eichel had a large role in a bad team, Fantilli will have a better supporting cast if he plays top 6 so the points could go up further, under those conditions.
 
Eichel had 56 year 1. MacKinnon 63. McDavid paced for 87.

70 points is a lot. Especially when the Jackets finished with an average of 2.6 G/GP last year (30th).
While I don't think he's a lock for 70, I will say it's possible. Using last season as a metric moving forward probably isn't going to yield good results given the fact that our team is built on defensive involvement on offense and our D and central point of said defensive involvement was out. The previous season, without a normal amount of injuries and without Gaudreau, Fantilli or KJ they were 15th.

Either way, lots of room for improvement.
I put him in the 50-60 range but I dont think more is impossible. The league is higher scoring and those guys were near leading their team in scoring with those numbers.

Im gonna go out on a limb and say we score a bit more this year also
I'd also argue Fantilli is going to be on a better team than any of those guys were and won't be forced into that true 1C role until he's proven he's ready.
 
I know this thread has been quiet for a little bit but something thats been bothering me and watching his highlights its very evident again is how little people talk about his playmaking. I think its highly underrated and is actually a big positive to his game and shows his solid hockey IQ and not the conerning IQ some have fears of
That whole hockey IQ thing was invented by fans, not scouts or coaches ... I wouldn't worry about it.

His freshman year at Michigan opposing teams fans were saying he shouldn't win the Hobey Baker because he got into a fight and that proved he didn't have a high hockey IQ. So laughable.

Draft wise, fans were saying his hockey IQ wasn't as high as Leo Carlsson's so some people (fans, not scouts) assumed that meant he had a low hockey IQ. Again, laughable.
 
That whole hockey IQ thing was invented by fans, not scouts or coaches ... I wouldn't worry about it.

His freshman year at Michigan opposing teams fans were saying he shouldn't win the Hobey Baker because he got into a fight and that proved he didn't have a high hockey IQ. So laughable.

Draft wise, fans were saying his hockey IQ wasn't as high as Leo Carlsson's so some people (fans, not scouts) assumed that meant he had a low hockey IQ. Again, laughable.
That's debatable, it's another way of saying he's got the intangibles and able to read and react to the game. While it's not a measurable stat per day, it is something you can gain from watching a player play.
 
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Eichel had 56 year 1. MacKinnon 63. McDavid paced for 87.

70 points is a lot. Especially when the Jackets finished with an average of 2.6 G/GP last year (30th).

Those teams were inferior to this roster and the scoring is higher.

70 sounds the absolute best case scenario and I’d be very happy with 50-60 points
 
That whole hockey IQ thing was invented by fans, not scouts or coaches ... I wouldn't worry about it.

His freshman year at Michigan opposing teams fans were saying he shouldn't win the Hobey Baker because he got into a fight and that proved he didn't have a high hockey IQ. So laughable.

Draft wise, fans were saying his hockey IQ wasn't as high as Leo Carlsson's so some people (fans, not scouts) assumed that meant he had a low hockey IQ. Again, laughable.

You probably just weren't following many scouts. Fantilli's play selection has been a topic of debate all year, among other attributes that are often grouped under IQ (I personally try to avoid the concept of IQ, it's too amorphous). Elite prospects scouts, hockeyprospect, etc... It's not a fan thing, scouts talk about it.
 
Those teams were inferior to this roster and the scoring is higher.

70 sounds the absolute best case scenario and I’d be very happy with 50-60 points
The Avalanche in 2013/14 are similar to the Jackets now. Honestly, a better team than what Eichel/McDavid had might hurt Fantilli’s production due to ice time.

Beniers (D+2) had 57 points this year. I’d expect Fantilli to be around that (D+1).
 
The Avalanche in 2013/14 are similar to the Jackets now. Honestly, a better team than what Eichel/McDavid had might hurt Fantilli’s production due to ice time.

Beniers (D+2) had 57 points this year. I’d expect Fantilli to be around that (D+1).

If you look at that Colorado team their highest scoring forward had 70 points and Mackinnon had 63.

& the middle is so weak that there’s definitely chance for Fantilli to earn top6 linemates quick
 

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