Player Discussion: Adam Fantilli
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Carlsson is not quiet at all. He's a very gregarious confident kid. I've heard him talk more at the combine and draft than I've heard Boone talk in 12 years.
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EliteProspects scorecard for both Fantilli and Carlsson, found this on the Carlsson thread in the Prospects section (Thanks to @Hockey Duckie I hope you dont mind me using your pictures).
Thought it was interesting enough to leave here.
I'll admit I'm a bit nervous about the transition play. Like people get upset when Jack Roslovic does one too many moves at the line and turns it over instead of making the simple pass. Sometimes that's what Fantilli looks like too. But we've got elite playmakers like KJ and Gaudreau he can dish to around the blueline, and Fantilli seems coachable, so hopefully it doesn't take too long for him to figure it out. Like cut down on the heropuck, get it to a playmaker and get open.
Its weird the large difference in games viewed. I also wonder what part of the season they were.
Edit: I went and looked at those cards and they even label Fantilli the 3rd best transition player and dont mention it for Carlsson. Weird.
Edit: I went and looked at those cards and they even label Fantilli the 3rd best transition player and dont mention it for Carlsson. Weird.
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Hmm. I see the 7 game sample size there and wonder. Not that I doubt the accuracy, but I swear I saw a card for Fantilli just after we drafted him where the transition numbers were surprisingly good. Maybe I can find it, or maybe I made it up.
We would have been happy with either of the two. We're thrilled with what we got.
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I know they'll be linked but I'm not sure why we have to denigrate "theirs" to build "ours" up. Especially when we all thought "theirs" was gonna be ""ours."
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it is – and i cannot stress this enough – extremely rad that his favorite hockey movie is the one where a literal chimp plays hockey. adam fantilli is the coolest dude on the planet.
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What are honestly the realistic expectations for Fantillis rookie season?
Been looking at the stats again and I think there should be some expectations on him, out of respect for how elite he was this past season.
B.Tkachuk scored 31 points in 40 games in his draft season and then scored 45 points in 71 games in his rookie season.
Eichel scored 71 points in 40 games in his draft season and then 56 points in 81 games in his rookie season.
Fantilli is physically atleast as ready as both of them and his skating is also clearly NHL ready.
He’s also clearly going into the best situation out of the 3 with the best support group/coaching.
Johnson scored 37 points in 32 games in his +1 season and we saw his rookie season
Beniers scored 43 points in 37 games in his +1 season and then scored 57 points in his rookie season.
Zegras scored 36 points in 33 games in his +1 season and then scored 13 points in 24 games in his 1st pro season.
They aren’t as good comps as the 1st 2 but show how their offensive production translated into NHL.
Been looking at the stats again and I think there should be some expectations on him, out of respect for how elite he was this past season.
B.Tkachuk scored 31 points in 40 games in his draft season and then scored 45 points in 71 games in his rookie season.
Eichel scored 71 points in 40 games in his draft season and then 56 points in 81 games in his rookie season.
Fantilli is physically atleast as ready as both of them and his skating is also clearly NHL ready.
He’s also clearly going into the best situation out of the 3 with the best support group/coaching.
Johnson scored 37 points in 32 games in his +1 season and we saw his rookie season
Beniers scored 43 points in 37 games in his +1 season and then scored 57 points in his rookie season.
Zegras scored 36 points in 33 games in his +1 season and then scored 13 points in 24 games in his 1st pro season.
They aren’t as good comps as the 1st 2 but show how their offensive production translated into NHL.
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why u guys want Celebrini, he played like a weenie
different on the ducks board though
large contigent of ducks fans dont like carlsson, but they are slowly being won over by carlsson as days pass (as it should be)
go will smith!!!
It's really gonna depend on where he ends up on the roster, I think he'll end up with somewhere between 50-70 pts. I think by the end of the season (most likely sooner) he's gonna get stapled to Gaudreaus hip and we're finally(hopefully) going to have someone who can keep up with him.
Even going back to the Panarin days there wasn't anyone on the roster who could truly keep pace with his production. If we're ever going to truly compete we have to have multiple guys who can keep up with our top dawg.
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40-50 points, top 5 in scoring on the team. Anything above that is exceeding expectations IMO.
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That because Brindley was the transition guy on that line. Fantilli didn’t need to do that at Michigan, like he did with the Chicago Steel:
At UM, Fantilli was asked to win the puck in the Dzone, pass to Brindley then race up to get in the play.
squashmaple
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Anywhere from 20 to 60, depending on who he settles between for extended periods, or if he gets sent to Cleveland at any point (which is entirely possible with Babcock as coach). It might be a bit of an awkward transition for him at first, but he should eventually settle with at least one linemate among KJ, Gaudreau, or Laine, which is more than Zegras, Tkachuk, and Johnson himself had their rookie seasons.
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Brindley’s three desert island items were water, food and “a friend”. Not Fantilli specifically. Ouch…
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Based on history, draft status and the physical tools Fantillis possesses 50-70 should be achievable.
It doesn’t mean he has to hit those but again given the past he’s earned the right to have that kind of expectations put on him
20-30’s would seem really low, given how B. Tkachuk, inferior prospect with far worse skating was pacing for 50.
Eichel scored 56 points in a lower scoring league, basement level team that was coached by an inferior coach.
Given the roster and Fantillis talent he should earn a spot with a mix of Gaudreau/Laine/Johnson/Marchenko at some point of the season atleast, even if he starts on the 3rd line
squashmaple
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He hasn't earned anything at all, and Babcock won't give him anything til he earns it. Those other players listed all came into the league with coaches who were much more lax and in situations where they were forced into bigger roles out of necessity. Fantilli gets to come into Babcock and an already fairly talented roster. 20 does feel low but I'll be (very happily) surprised if he's anywhere near 60.
I do think that if he comes close to 70 it'll be because of an increase in playing time in the back half of the season. At which point I'm assuming with better linemates + more responsibility/playing time he sees a uptick in production.
Having said that, he's still just a kid who isn't used to play against completely mature men combined with the long grind of an 82 game season, it's completely possible that by the halfway to three quarter point in the season that he slows down a bit.
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Babcock coached rookie Matthews/Marner/Nylander and they all produced
I haven’t once said anything about giving everything on a silver platter.
But given Fantillis CV & NHL ready frame he deserves expectations. He’s not a basic top10 pick, he’s Eichel caliber prospect
It could happen, but if he starts on the bottom6 on a sheltered role then I doubt it happens.
& we have recent data on top prospects jumping from ncaa to NHL and how their production translates as I listed.
It would be a disservice(disrespect) towards Fantilli if we expected nothing out of him
If I understand correctly, Laine, who had a better PPG than Gaudreau and who didn't play many (if not the most) games with him, has no chance of keep pace with Johnny.
I also think you underated Johnson and Marchenko minimum.I don't under estimate anyone, but until they actually show they can play at a PPG let alone maintain that pace over multiple seasons is TBD.If I understand correctly, Laine, who had a better PPG than Gaudreau and who didn't play many (if not the most) games with him, has no chance of keep pace with Johnny.
I have no doubt Laine can play at a PPG pace, the question is whether or not it's for 50 games or 75+
You can tell from the transition numbers that he was less relied on at Michigan, but I'd be more mindful about the transition success rates being close to average in both cases.
I think yes. And not only him. It's just important that the team has a system and not the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing figuratively speaking.
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