Speculation: Acq./Rost. Bldg./Cap/Lines etc. Part LXXXI -- Will we even care by July 1?

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Jags

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Yikes....wow

Agreed, but it's just a baseline of assets moved to make it fit. You could keep Carlson next year and move MoJo for futures. You could move Carlson and MoJo and add a 4m defenseman somewhere in those trades. This was just to show that the money can work.
 

trick9

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Hanifin might be on the block in the summer. Not that surprised because Hurricanes are loaded on defense.

Wonder if they'd consider trading him for Johansson with some additional pieces from both sides.
 

Raikkonen

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1W 9.54 Ovechkin
1C 6.70 Backstrom
1W 6.00 Oshie
2W 4.58 Johansson
2C 6.50 Kuznetsov
2W 0.86 Vrana
3W 1.70 Connolly
3C 3.50 Eller
3W 3.00 Burakovsky
4W 0.58 Carey
4C 1.75 Beagle
4W 2.00 Wilson

LD 4.25 Orlov
RD 5.75 Niskanen
LD 2.25 Schmidt
RD 7.00 Shattenkirk
LD 0.80 Chorney
RD 0.70 Bowey

1G 6.10 Holtby
2G 0.80 Backup

CAP -$1,970,000 Cap Space

I won't comment on that negative cap space for starters.

Lets talk about team defense. You have Williams and Winnik gone and replace them with Vrana and Carey. You want Backstrom and Oshie to die on the ice from heavy assignments, I see.

Then take your defense. Exactly 1 all situations dman (Niskanen). No defensive specialists.

Team GA will go from 1st to 20+th. Out of playoffs easily. Trade Holtby signs everywhere (due to bad stats).

Just bad.

Ofc we will have futures from trades. They will help us when Ovi's done, for sure.
 

Jags

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I won't comment on that negative cap space for starters.

That's really clever how you didn't comment on that. ;)

It's based on a flat cap. The cap might go up.

Lets talk about team defense.

No, let's not. As I clearly stated in my last post, this was just about showing that the money can work; the quickest swap of pieces to get the money to around what it would need to be. There are plenty of ways to make the personnel subtractions more balanced, but that would involve even more moves that would make this "what if" exercise much less clear.

We're going to have to weather some losses next year no matter what happens. Yes, I do see us having to replace a couple forwards with either guys from the farm or other cheap UFA options (maybe there's another Connolly out there). Yes, I do think that keeping Shattenkirk most likely means losing Carlson for substantial futures.

But yes, there are also hundreds of other ways to go. Trade MoJo and keep Alzner (or trade MoJo for a D of comparable value). Or let Oshie go in favor of keeping Alzner or Orpik. The possibilities are endless.

One guy said let's maybe keep Shattenkirk. Another guy said we don't have the cap room. All I did was show with a few swaps that we can, in fact, have the cap room. Working out how best to achieve that would require A LOT of other considerations, but that wasn't the point.
 

CapitalsCupReality

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'The money can work' (if you want a terrible D).....lol. ;).

I'm seeing a few trends. It's become fashionable to criticize any player who has a down year. It's also become fashionable to suggest a team would overpay for said struggling player.

What team in their right mind overvpays for a Carlson that 'has struggled for two seasons', and is only under contract 1 more year then an UFA? The ONLY way that works is if the acquiring team is allowed to negotiate a deal before the trade, and Carlson is willing to accept it. The latter, will likely be the sticking point. If Carlson knows the Caps aren't interested, he's 1 season from writing his own ticket at UFA market value. Expect another trade deadline sell at best (similar to what KS22 returned) unless we get lucky with a trade partner Carlson covets. Can you see us trading him to Philly? Puke.
 
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Hivemind

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Orpik has played fine this season, but with all of the UFAs/RFAs on this team that will either get raises or need to be replaced, I don't see how they could possibly justify spending $5.5M on a 3rd pairing defender. The same is even more true for Shattenkirk (unless they move Carlson to clear space for Shatty on a higher pairing).
 

Jags

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Yeah, pretty much every loss feels like it has a domino effect associated with it. If it was just Alzner and Oshie it'd be easier to figure out, but with all the RFA raises, Orpik's hit being less cost effective, Carlson's impending UFA status, Vegas' possible interest in Schmidt, Shattenkirk leaving... It's hard to see our D not getting decimated.

On offense it's just Oshie, Williams and Winnik to worry about. Might lose all 3. Do you make a significant cut to try to keep Oshie? Spend for diminishing return with no real future value in Williams? Can Vrana make the jump? Who takes over for Winnik?

I don't envy Mac.
 

CapitalsCupReality

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Settle down Francis. If you post a projected terrible defense and say "it can work", well common sense says that's not 'working', so expect some chuckles. Was meant as good natured anyway so don't overreact because everyone is saying 'ahem'...

Orpik has to be moved or he's going to cost us a good player. Simple fact.

If we lose that player because he can't be moved, I sure hope it's after we bring home the Cup. It's the only way to justify the cost/loss. The guy has played very well for 2 out of 3 seasons so far and brought instant credibility to the D, but his age is the determining factor here IMO.
 

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Sample size for KSK is still small.

And he's sheltered with 3rd pair minutes which will prevent to analyze his potential properly. Singing anthems for him is a bit too early.

We know Caps PP goes into dry spells every Spring. Lets see if KSK can change that (his quick and strong passes could be good against pressure I guess).
 

CapitalsCupReality

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Sample size for KSK is still small.

And he's sheltered with 3rd pair minutes which will prevent to analyze his potential properly. Singing anthems for him is a bit too early.

We know Caps PP goes into dry spells every Spring. Lets see if KSK can change that (his quick and strong passes could be good against pressure I guess).

True test will be when he has to play up if someone gets dinged up. I'm looking forward to seeing his metal tested.

Double Deuce and Double Deucex2 has to be one of the best 3rd pairs in the NHL if not the best.
 

Langway

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It's just two games but Oshie is venturing into the Alzner 'Thanks but no thanks' territory. There's just so much risk involved in handing out term to these players, particularly if the core still hasn't gotten it done or shown the aptitude for it.

If they desperately hang on to either player or resist a mini-rebuild or something out of a sense of obligation toward continued regular season mirages they'll just be signing up for a weaker future. This team probably needs to be worse at winning easily in the regular season so that actual development can happen again.
 

Capitlols

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It's just two games but Oshie is venturing into the Alzner 'Thanks but no thanks' territory. There's just so much risk involved in handing out term to these players, particularly if the core still hasn't gotten it done or shown the aptitude for it.

If they desperately hang on to either player or resist a mini-rebuild or something out of a sense of obligation toward continued regular season mirages they'll just be signing up for a weaker future. This team probably needs to be worse at winning easily in the regular season so that actual development can happen again.


If they choke in round 1. Talk has to begin and end with OV. His game is deteriorating and he hasn't evolved, his apathetic play away from the puck as a captain is just embarrassing.
 

peterthegreat12

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Agreed. If they lose in the first round you seriously have to look at moving on from Ovechkin. This core as constructed does not seem to have what it takes to win a cup mentally.
 

Langway

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Agreed. If they lose in the first round you seriously have to look at moving on from Ovechkin. This core as constructed does not seem to have what it takes to win a cup mentally.
Leonsis should burn it to the ground if they lose but, y'know, gotta pacify the Red Rockers and hype up regular season success.
 

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If they lose in the first round blow it up. Done with the excuses. I'm just mad they wasted all those last year with McPhee vanilla management. Even Backstrom who is a fine 1C and who I love as a player doesn't seem to have another level in the playoffs.
 

trick9

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Geez.

They lost a game that they dominated. That happens. They are not losing this series.

Next round is the one where they will ran into problems. Penguins are basically the better version of the Leafs. Very fast team. Who are not going to take as many dumb penalties as the Leafs.

Speaking of the penalties what's really concerning again is that they seem to be heading toward the same old problem. 5-3 advantage in ES scoring for the Leafs and the Capitals played twice at home. Still relying too much on the PP. It'll propably carry them through this round but not further than that.

Yet again would like to see more shots. They are still wasting ridiculous amount of high-danger chances by overpassing the puck.
 

txpd

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They lost a game that they dominated. That happens. They are not losing this series.
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Well, they lost a game and that indicates they cant win beyond this series. So, might as well blow it up or burn it down or whatever.

We can go ahead and move on to the trade and draft post season thread now.
 

Raikkonen

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Well, they lost a game and that indicates they cant win beyond this series. So, might as well blow it up or burn it down or whatever.

We can go ahead and move on to the trade and draft post season thread now.

Its not about that they lost a game.

Its about Ovi being ****.
 

Hivemind

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It's about the core of this team not showing up, again. So much for Ovie "saving it" for the playoffs. So much for Carlson always stepping up his game in the post-season. So much for Alzner being an elite shutdown defenseman. So much for Kuznetsov evolving into a player that can dominate match-ups against McDavid and Matthews. So much for Oshie being a quality playoff performer instead of the ghost he was in St. Louis.

So far it's been the same-old Capitals with the same-old Trotz at the helm. This is a series that they should be able to exploit their advantages in puck possession, size, experience, defense, and goaltending to win. Instead they're allowing it to become a track meet, and playing right into Toronto's strengths. And, hell, their best track meet players (Ovechkin, Kuznetsov) aren't even showing up at even strength. They were sleep walking into the first game of the playoffs, and they let Toronto get the jump on them. They let Toronto dictate how that game (and the series so far) would be played, and gave both team the mental impression that the Leafs would be able to hang with the Caps.

Trotz has not been able to exploit his team's strengths or Toronto's weaknesses. Trotz has not been able to get his stars to play anywhere near the level they need to be playing. He has, once again, not been able to find a neutral zone scheme that works at containing the opponent's speed. Something's got to significantly change for me to believe Trotz is going to be able to lead this team further than he's ever led a team in the playoffs before. So far all the red flags that people were worried about are not only there, but waving furiously. And that includes Trotz's ability to outcoach his opponent in a playoff series.
 

RandyHolt

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There is no confusion, unless PPGs and ESGs are treated as one.

Ovi has ~2 ESG in ~30 games as the playoffs start. He is our highest paid forward and without physical play sadly is pretty much now a PP specialist. We are going to mostly live or die via the PP, until that changes.

Like last loffs and last night, good power play numbers aren't always enough. Then what? Come here for solutions.

And spot on, Hive.
 

txpd

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There is no confusion, unless PPGs and ESGs are treated as one.

Ovi has ~2 ESG in ~30 games as the playoffs start. He is our highest paid forward and without physical play sadly is pretty much now a PP specialist. We are going to mostly live or die via the PP, until that changes.

Like last loffs and last night, good power play numbers aren't always enough. Then what? Come here for solutions.

And spot on, Hive.

ah...so we are saying that if the Caps lose it will be because Ov hasn't scored enough at ES? Not that they have given up 3.5 goals per game so far? Meanwhile. in a series where the Caps have 3 in both games and won and lost in OT, the PPG Ovechkin scored was vital.

Even if Ovechkin is suddenly over the hill, you blow the team up/burn it to the ground, just because Ov is done?

Oh...while we are at it. Holtby has been somewhat unHoltby like. 3 gaa in regulation in both games. When are you getting on the switch to Grubauer train?
 

RandyHolt

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ah...so we are saying that if the Caps lose it will be because Ov hasn't scored enough at ES....

I am saying if we commit X% of our cap space to a goal scorer that doesn't score at ES for vast stretches / playoffs, it can become a problem.

Have you seen any soft GA in the series? I know you are one of the few not hesitant to say if you saw one. No soft goals, no goalie change.
 

txpd

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I am saying if we commit X% of our cap space to a goal scorer that doesn't score at ES for vast stretches / playoffs, it can become a problem.

Have you seeDon any soft GA in the series? I know you are one of the few not hesitant to say if you saw one. No soft goals, no goalie change.

Yea...the 2 in g1 we're soft for starters
 
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