seems like sports science for Hockey is way behind. If this was European football, all the biomechanical motion would’ve been tracked.
Hockey still has a “you figure it out yourself” mindset.
Player Discussion Aatu Raty
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Hockey still has a “you figure it out yourself” mindset.
RobertKron
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There’s a pretty enormous difference in scale as far as the money behind the industry is concerned.
Sports science is not going to even cost like a M per year. Considering the cap is at like 90M and like half the teams are going to spend that much anyways, cost of sports science is not that bad.
Agreed. The opportunity usually comes with injuries. Ideally players who are in their last year of waiver exemption get a longish look so you can decide whether you want to pencil the player into the lineup next season.
Even the the ardent pessimist about Raty's potential has to relent a little, watching his work in this YoungStars tournament. His skating and edgework are far superior to what they were. Clearly he's put his off-season to good use, and has really worked on all aspects of his skating.
Wry n Ginger
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100% agreed. Plus his comments stated that he knew what he needed to work and and actively got better at those thing. Still only 21 and is starting to know what he needs to do to take the next step. 3rd line center next year, transitions to 2nd line center in 2 or 3 years as EP40 moves to 1st line center and JT becomes that 3rd line center that provides grit and leadership later in his career.
...or something like that.
HairyKneel
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How does Puck Munchkin feel about this? He apparently was not a fan of his training regimen.
Wry n Ginger
Water which is too pure has no fish
This is troll bait. I get that we give each other a hard time on the Canucks part of this forum and maybe I am missing the joke?
Fatass
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Puck Munchkin made a recent post about Raty's skating based on hearsay that he fully believed in and backed by his own perception of what hockey training is like in Finland. Not everything has to be a gotcha or trolling.
A totally different player this year, at least based on his performance at the Young-stars tournament. He was beating d-men wide and taking the puck to the paint.....something he rarely if ever did last season.
For the first time in ages I actually have faith in the Canucks pro and amateur scouts. There was a reason why they made Raty one of the center-pieces of the Bo Horvat deal. Hopefully he's tracking just the way they projected he would be.
I wonder if the Canucks actually targeted Raty but in reality it was slim pickings.
Before trading Horvat, Allvin basically named their price. They wanted an everyday forward (Beauvillier); a first round draft pick; and a top prospect. And If they Islanders hadn't bucked up, they'd probably have gone elsewhere. So I really believe they had options, other than Raty, if they'd moved Horvat to another team.
GrogZilla
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It's always a mystery to me why some kids can keep on improving in the skating department, and others end up on a treadmill. Let's face it, when Horvat showed up at his first Canuck training camp, he was 'slow'....'slow'. But working with a skills and conditioning coach, his skating became one of his biggest assets by the time he was in his early 20's.
Raty may not improve as much as Horvat, but he's certainly off to great start with his work over the summer. And the reality is, the Canucks desperately need him to succeed as an NHL center. And playing in the middle of ice, skating speed and lateral agility are absolutely paramount.
Raty may not improve as much as Horvat, but he's certainly off to great start with his work over the summer. And the reality is, the Canucks desperately need him to succeed as an NHL center. And playing in the middle of ice, skating speed and lateral agility are absolutely paramount.
It doesn't work that way. Allvin could have asked for the moon that doesn't mean the offers were there. I think that clearly Allvin wanted to do a hockey deal (which was likely a youngish RHD or replacement C + assets). In the end most of us were shocked that the trade ended up being centered around the Islanders' 1st round pick (which became less of surprise when the pick was flipped for Hronek). Beauvillier was a cap dump to make the cap work.
Anyways, when I say slim pickings it is the prospect component of the trade. The Islanders didn't really have much to offer. If the prospects were even available the most likely names at the time would have been Raty, Holmstrom, Bolduc, and Dufour. Holmstrom at the time was a roster player and a former first round pick so it's hard to say whether he would have been realistically available in the first place.
Looked pretty good tonight. He's bigger than I expected and doesn't look like a kid physically. Speed and pace has improved, his IQ orients his game well and his shot is a weapon.
Andy Dufresne
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Based on Raty's start to this year, maybe we ought to send more of our young prospects to train in Finland during the off-season. Looks like they know what they're doing over there.
ephmrl
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Smart player, seems to be pretty self-aware of his shortcomings, and has decided to lean into being a toolsy high IQ center. Could be a really solid player in the near future, he has a lot of talent and I think he's quickly establishing himself as someone the coaches want to work with.
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I've been pumping his tires since before we traded for him and was shitting my pants that he was gonna get traded for a rental. A lot of people ignored the fact that he at one point was considered a possible 1st overall. No matter how that played out it doesn't change the fact that his talent drew that much praise.
I remember a scout who posts on HF did a deep dive on him and showed that even when his stock plummeted it was a complicated scenario, some self inflicted, some not. Anyways he talked about how when you peeled back his D-1 season despite little production the underlying numbers painted a much rosier picture and he had what he called historically bad luck, to go along with a bad fit on the team he was on.
Things got a lot better the following year but he came over and had a hard time adjusting to the AHL, which the article pointed out that he tends to take awhile to adjust to knew situations.
We all saw his last half of the season in Abby where he had clearly adjusted and played very well but it was clear from rookie camp on that he had clearly taken another big step, especially his skating.
Man imagine he ends up 2c quality as a 3c and all of a sudden Hronek and Raty and a 4th (acquired for Beauvilier) for Horvat and a 2nd is looking like a franchise altering deal.
I think at this point we can all agree that he indeed did work on his skating a lot during the summer and his training regimen was a good one. Big difference in his skating ability.
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