Player Discussion Aatu Raty

[Huggy]

Not that its valuable to mention but Horvat was analyzed to be a top flight 3c or decent 2c.

 

[SI90]

Huge Raty fan. Think he’s going to be a heck of a player. Best thing for you guys might be his attitude, confidence, and chip on his shoulder.

He should have been a 1st round pick and wasn’t. All he did after being drafted was proved that teams made a mistake and he was a beast every tournament he went to.

Now, he’s going to want to prove to the isles they made a huge mistake by giving him up.


His floor is high. In his first training camp you could see his maturity and understanding for the game. Barry Trotz who hardly ever raved about young guys or rookies went out of his way to praise Raty for his mature play and details in all 3 zones.

I understand you have to give to get but he was the isles best prospect and really the only legit center prospect in the entire system. Also the only one younger than Barzal.

I wish him luck and I hope he becomes a beast for you guys.

 

[Angry Little Elf]

Huge Raty fan. Think he’s going to be a heck of a player. Best thing for you guys might be his attitude, confidence, and chip on his shoulder.

He should have been a 1st round pick and wasn’t. All he did after being drafted was proved that teams made a mistake and he was a beast every tournament he went to.

Now, he’s going to want to prove to the isles they made a huge mistake by giving him up.


His floor is high. In his first training camp you could see his maturity and understanding for the game. Barry Trotz who hardly ever raved about young guys or rookies went out of his way to praise Raty for his mature play and details in all 3 zones.

I understand you have to give to get but he was the isles best prospect and really the only legit center prospect in the entire system. Also the only one younger than Barzal.

I wish him luck and I hope he becomes a beast for you guys.

Thank you bro!

Enjoy horvat. He is a great player and even better person. A real character guy

 

[alternate]

Pettersson-Bedard-Raty down the middle is gonna be sick!

 

[MS]

One thing hugely in Raty’s favour is that he’s basically guaranteed to get huge opportunity.

We often see prospects screwed over because management aren’t invested in them (Gaunce) or they’re blocked in a bad situation (Rathbone). This won’t be the case with Raty - he’s in a team with zero C depth or young competition and a management group what will be hugely invested in seeing him succeed to justify their biggest trade. He’s going to get absolutely every chance to succeed, and that often can make all the difference.

 

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A nonsense post, in order to get rid of the above graph.

 

[bandwagonesque]

One thing hugely in Raty’s favour is that he’s basically guaranteed to get huge opportunity.

We often see prospects screwed over because management aren’t invested in them (Gaunce) or they’re blocked in a bad situation (Rathbone). This won’t be the case with Raty - he’s in a team with zero C depth or young competition and a management group what will be hugely invested in seeing him succeed to justify their biggest trade. He’s going to get absolutely every chance to succeed, and that often can make all the difference.

Using Gaunce as a comparable is putting way too much pressure on the kid.

 

[Hodgy]

Hoglander's skating and puckhandling is terrific at this level.

But you know all the stuff that JT Miller does that drives people nuts? Put that on steroids while playing at a lower level. Right now he just looks like an incredibly dumb player. Explosively skate through the neutral zone ... take a low percentage shot attempt. Have a guy wide open ... stickhandle into to traffic. Make a behind-the-back pass to nobody to spring an odd-man rush the other way. Take a selfish penalty. Take a dumb shot on the PP that misses the net and clears the zone. Poor effort on backchecks. Plays in spurts - and those spurts can be impressive and dynamic - and then coasts for long periods.

There's talent there, but this stretch in the AHL has highlighted to me that this is a much more flawed player than I previously thought who is much further from being a contributing NHLer than I had reckoned.

This sound eerily similar to the comments Hoglander's old SHL head coach made about him.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Funny... at 14:30 Gemma Karstens-Smith asks about Aatu to pronounce his name.

He does, and then echoes my thoughts that it doesn't really matter if you guys pronounce it with your American accents.

 

[tradervik]

Funny... at 14:30 Gemma Karstens-Smith asks about Aatu to pronounce his name.

He does, and then echoes my thoughts that it doesn't really matter if you guys pronounce it with your American accents.

Artoo Ratoo it is!

 

[sting101]

Its too bad he can't convert his game to a skilled grinder at the NHL level. I wonder if he's just lost confidence and now he's having attitude issues and reverting back to what made him successful at lower levels, which of course doesn't work here.

Yes i think Hoglander is gonna have to reconcile being the 3rd wheel on a 2nd or 3rd line which means being safe and defer more than trying to do too much and be a line driver. Simple tasks like getting pucks up and out, Then hard forechecking and being a pest. If he can simplify at the NHL level he can be effective

 

[iceburg]

It's just dawning on me how young this kid is. He turned 20 just 10 weeks ago and he's already played 140ish games in professional men's leagues.
He was the youngest player to play in the 2020 WJC as well.

His draft year just seems to be a complete anomaly.

 

[RutherPlan]

What's funny is that Horvat at 19 years old was also considered a 3C and had 0 points in 5 AHL games.

 

[RutherPlan]

He looks quite skilled

 

[sting101]

Using Gaunce as a comparable is putting way too much pressure on the kid.

Yes the fridge is one of the most important things in my life. Thats a lot to live up to

 

[krutovsdonut]

Artoo Ratoo it is!

so related to r2 d2?

r2 ra2?

 

[krutovsdonut]

Using Gaunce as a comparable is putting way too much pressure on the kid.

if only gaunce had been utilized to endlessly take wrist shots while gliding into the slot with no pressue on odd man rushes.

 

[Aphid Attraction]

What's funny is that Horvat at 19 years old was also considered a 3C and had 0 points in 5 AHL games.

And had defensive upside

 

[Bgav]

Eh tu, Brute ?

 

[Peen]

What's funny is that Horvat at 19 years old was also considered a 3C and had 0 points in 5 AHL games.

Uh, no one with any common sense cared about Horvat’s 0 in 5.

I remember reading @Bad Goalie ’s posts during that stretch and he said something along the lines of “lack of points is irrelevant, he’s the best player i’ve seen at this level and he will never be back here”

 

[Canucker]

He looks quite skilled

Has a really nice release on his shot.

 

[Diversification]

so related to r2 d2?

r2 ra2?

It should be R2-C2 for those of us who hope he projects as a matchup 2nd line center.

 

[VanJack]

If bears reminding people that Raty was just 17 when he fell flat on his face in the pro Finnish Liga during his draft year. Playing against men he struggled, and then plummeted down the draft board. No way he should have dropped to 52nd overall in the second round, but that's how much scouts soured on him.

But looks like that one season was just an anomaly....a young player who got elevated too fast and too soon. If he'd stayed in junior, he probably would have been a top-10 pick.

Gives you some hope for Lekkerimaki, who is also struggling as a teenager in a professional league. Sometimes they just aren't ready as 17-18 year olds. That's just the way it is.

 

[canuckking1]

What's funny is that Horvat at 19 years old was also considered a 3C and had 0 points in 5 AHL games.

Horvat was a full-time NHLer in his D+2 and wasn't a late birthday. He was also the team's best player in the playoff and went on be 3rd in team scoring the very next year. They really aren't comparable as prospects.

 

[Hansen]

What I do know is that if he doesnt work out, he better not become the next Markus Granlund and hang around for ages