Post-Game Talk: A new way to lose, Jets lose in OT 3-2

[GaryPoppins]

....or change up the coaching staff...

They won’t fire anyone between now and end of season unless the candidate they’re wanting is out there which in all likelihood isn’t the case. Here’s hoping Barry Trotz shakes loose. Otherwise, Lane Lambert or quite possibly Jim
Montgomery(if he’s well and recovered)

 

[macmaroon]

I'd like to see that too.

EDIT - good goal by the clodhopping cud- swallowing oilbacked bilgewater-pissing Tejas greenmen

Thanks @kanadalainen, I need that...

 

[buggs]

Our topography locally seems somehow different. Can't quite put a finger on it....

 

[Jets 31]

The fact that no matter how bad we are playing or if we are losing in a game Lowry never thinks of separating Scheifele and Wheeler is a big problem to me, you have to try anything and everything . Especially being a interm head coach, what have you got to lose? Try Scheifele with Dubois and Connor, have Wheeler center the 2nd line, try anything to get some scoring and wins .

 

[LowLefty]

Well perhaps he needs to do a better job at it. It seems he preaches accountability but then only holds players like Svech to it.

He wants to hit players on board then he needs to start rewarding the desired behavior and cutting ice time from those not performing as expected. This team will never fully pull in that direction as long as the two leaders can keep doing as they please while getting massive minutes.

Sure - he needs to do a better job.
This team will float until the end of the season and then the org will decide what to do - don't expect total buy in to anything with this crew at this point.
Lowry is a place holder - nothing more. He was mandated to get them going energy wise but it shouldn't shock anyone that he is struggling with it.
Maurice did for years

 

[Jet]

I think I'm just coming to the realization that this team simply isn't good enough.

I think we have too many complimentary players, and not enough guys with the mental fortitude to execute when the pressure is on.

We shoot ourselves in the foot so many times by not doing things like quick accurate passes, retrieving passes cleanly, or clearing the puck under pressure.

I mean ffs Connor almost lost the puck again like he did in the last loss. Trying to get up the ice before he had the payload secured. You'd think he would have been extra careful after that mistake.

As much as Schiefele has been producing offensively we again see another highlight on the Gurianov goal where they score and then you see 55 glide through the camera view a second later.

 

[Babooch]

The fact that no matter how bad we are playing or if we are losing in a game Lowry never thinks of separating Scheifele and Wheeler is a big problem to me, you have to try anything and everything . Especially being a interm head coach, what have you got to lose?

The Room that Wheeler runs.

 

[Adam da bomb]

If that is the case we will just go in circles.

I don’t know that’s what I’d if I was a young 20 year old new to an organization is take the bosses kid for ice cream. Super easy way to create a great impression with minimal work.

 

[LowLefty]

I'm sure Pionk will be fine. He's struggling after signing a big deal with heightened expectations. He's not the first player to have a rough first year under a new deal.

What does the bold even mean?
He's being paid well to do a better job defensively - now he's struggling because he's expected to do better?
He's struggling because he is not very good defensively.

The fact that he is not the first player to struggle after a deal does not mean it is OK to struggle after a deal. Is that an excuse to under perform?
He's supposed to be or #2 Dman based on his recent contract - I hope he doesn't struggle with the heightened expectations too long.

Players get called out from time to time - no need to make weak excuses to support poor play.
I hope is will be fine too - but I'm not "sure" he will be unless he works on his sloppy play
This isn't Stanley with a $900k contract (who we have no problem calling out on a daily basis) - this is one of our highest paid Dmen - he should be held to higher standards, not lower.

 

[PhilJets]

The fact that no matter how bad we are playing or if we are losing in a game Lowry never thinks of separating Scheifele and Wheeler is a big problem to me, you have to try anything and everything . Especially being a interm head coach, what have you got to lose? Try Scheifele with Dubois and Connor, have Wheeler center the 2nd line, try anything to get some scoring and wins .

Now that you see both coaches is unwilling to separate them.
Who has the voice with the ownership and upper management? Maybe....

 

[Jet]

What does the bold even mean?
He's being paid well to do a better job defensively - now he's struggling because he's expected to do better?
He's struggling because he is not very good defensively.

The fact that he is not the first player to struggle after a deal does not mean it is OK to struggle after a deal. Is that an excuse to under perform?
He's supposed to be or #2 Dman based on his recent contract - I hope he doesn't struggle with the heightened expectations too long.

Players get called out from time to time - no need to make weak excuses to support poor play.
I hope is will be fine too - but I'm not "sure" he will be unless he works on his sloppy play
This isn't Stanley with a $900k contract (who we have no problem calling out on a daily basis) - this is one of our highest paid Dmen - he should be held to higher standards, not lower.

One of our issues right now is we always seem to have key players struggling. Last year Pionk was our best and Morrissey was not himself. This year, Morrissey has been an all star in my mind and Pionk doesn't look confident.

 

[WolfHouse]

Team needs Ehlers and Perfetti back big time, you just aren't going to win many games scoring only 1 or 2 goals a game. Both Dubois and Connor aren't scoring without Perfetti and we need Ehlers speed and scoring big time. I'm really hating this winter.

Is it that rough that we need our rookie that wasn’t slated to even play this year? How hard is it to reunite Svech with Connor and Dubois?

 

[WolfHouse]

Now that you see both coaches is unwilling to separate them.
Who has the voice with the ownership and upper management? Maybe....

This is becoming very apparent that Scheif and wheeler have a significant amount of influence as to roster decisions

 

[surixon]

What does the bold even mean?
He's being paid well to do a better job defensively - now he's struggling because he's expected to do better?
He's struggling because he is not very good defensively.

The fact that he is not the first player to struggle after a deal does not mean it is OK to struggle after a deal. Is that an excuse to under perform?
He's supposed to be or #2 Dman based on his recent contract - I hope he doesn't struggle with the heightened expectations too long.

Players get called out from time to time - no need to make weak excuses to support poor play.
I hope is will be fine too - but I'm not "sure" he will be unless he works on his sloppy play
This isn't Stanley with a $900k contract (who we have no problem calling out on a daily basis) - this is one of our highest paid Dmen - he should be held to higher standards, not lower.

I'm not excusing his poor play. He hasn't been good enough like a number of our players. Simply put there is more pressure when you make more cash, sometimes players have a hard time adapting right off the bat.

 

[bennylundholm]

55 and 26 need to be sent elsewhere if we want to have a chance at the cup.
Poor leaders. 26 never hits. 55 selfish.

 

[PhilJets]

From 3 years ago

Minimum 50 pages here when we discuss Jets games.
Many lost interest.

Only really 1 great season so far since 2011 , collapsed after that and can't recover or taking more time that they should be.

Sign of bad management and leadership.
If you cant recover or re group.
Been 3-4 years. And doesn't look to be better soon.

Clean house

 

[PhilJets]

This is becoming very apparent that Scheif and wheeler have a significant amount of influence as to roster decisions

I think that happens in all sports.

But you need to deliver.

If they can't win they shouldn't have that much power. Let alone that long...

They need to win, bottom line.

4 years now since 2018 run.

You want a say.
Win!!!

 

[sipowicz]

I think I'm just coming to the realization that this team simply isn't good enough.

I think we have too many complimentary players, and not enough guys with the mental fortitude to execute when the pressure is on.

We shoot ourselves in the foot so many times by not doing things like quick accurate passes, retrieving passes cleanly, or clearing the puck under pressure.

I mean ffs Connor almost lost the puck again like he did in the last loss. Trying to get up the ice before he had the payload secured. You'd think he would have been extra careful after that mistake.

As much as Schiefele has been producing offensively we again see another highlight on the Gurianov goal where they score and then you see 55 glide through the camera view a second later.

When I saw the Jets get outworked and out hit by the Ducks and Sharks (neither who are power houses) to start the season I knew it would be a long one, Jets players never bought in early on!

Time for a rebuild with new GM and coaching staff. Chevy's leash way too long!

 

[LowLefty]

I'm not excusing his poor play. He hasn't been good enough like a number of our players. Simply put there is more pressure when you make more cash, sometimes players have a hard time adapting right off the bat.

Yes you are - you did it again in your reply -
Call it what it is - we don't let others off the hook for poor play -

He went balls out LY knowing his contract was due - now he is not. Is that because there is too much pressure?
I don't buy that for a minute - he actually has less pressure with JoMO's game back on track and our added depth on D.

 

[Heldig]

3+ years the Jets have been less than the sum of their parts.

Currently
20th in GF - so offense is actually a weakness
19th in GA - so even a Vexina calibre goalie cant save this keystone cop defense (thanks Huddy)
-6 goal differential
20th in points%
13th PP
26th in PK

Kyle Connor is 6th in Goals scored and 12th in points but is a minus player (only minus player in the top 25 - although surprisingly the next minus is Marchand)

Our 2 #1 C's sit 22nd and 34th in points. In terms of +/- Lowry is our best C at 51st overall among NHL Centres.

 

[surixon]

Yes you are - you did it again in your reply -
Call it what it is - we don't let others off the hook for poor play -

He went balls out LY knowing his contract was due - now he is not. Is that because there is too much pressure?
I don't buy that for a minute - he actually has less pressure with JoMO's game back on track and our added depth on D.

I am looking for a reason for it not excusing it, there is a difference.

 

[surixon]

One of our issues right now is we always seem to have key players struggling. Last year Pionk was our best and Morrissey was not himself. This year, Morrissey has been an all star in my mind and Pionk doesn't look confident.

Yup, we can't seemingly get all our guys going at once. Dubois on fire, Scheifele sucks and vs. Versa.

 

[MrBoJangelz71]

Apologize to any relatives that may read this, but Adam Brooks is not an NHL player.

 

[surixon]

Well for some more positive developments.

Ves has strung together a couple good games in a row. Looks to be figuring some stuff out with the puck. Hopefully he keeps building on it.

 

[Duke749]

The fact that no matter how bad we are playing or if we are losing in a game Lowry never thinks of separating Scheifele and Wheeler is a big problem to me, you have to try anything and everything . Especially being a interm head coach, what have you got to lose? Try Scheifele with Dubois and Connor, have Wheeler center the 2nd line, try anything to get some scoring and wins .

Wheeler and Scheif on the same line have been very hot lately. Why would you separate that? I’m all for splitting them up, but if they’re playing well, why change that? Not to mention our depth is nonexistent right now.