Post-Game Talk: A new way to lose, Jets lose in OT 3-2

[LowLefty]

Don't disagree that explaining intricate concepts in a second (or 3rd, or 5th) language isn't easy, but we've seen plenty of European coaches succeed brilliantly in the EPL over the past decades, so it can certainly be done.

And honestly, listening to some NHL coaches' pressers -- step forward, Dave Lowry! -- is so painful that I'm not sure how sophisticated and comprehensible their tactical explanations are likely to be, even if their command of English meets national standards.

Lowry's mandate on this team is to get them working harder and playing a simple but energized game -
That's step one - and they can't get past step one - but I wouldn't blame the plain spoken coach for that - I might take a look at the players at that point and maybe assume they don't want to do those things.
Sophistication would come into play after step one - and a new coach would likely be in place for that phase.

 

[ThinIce61]

New coaching staff has to happen or this is what we will see every game from the Jets until certain players are gone.

 

[Thechozen1]

sadly who is out there as a coach to coach this team that is a sound viable coach

Have to look in the Bantam ranks, that’s what Montreal did

 

[surixon]

Lowry's mandate on this team is to get them working harder and playing a simple but energized game -
That's step one - and they can't get past step one - but I wouldn't blame the plain spoken coach for that - I might take a look at the players at that point and maybe assume they don't want to do those things.
Sophistication would come into play after step one - and a new coach would likely be in place for that phase.

Well perhaps he needs to do a better job at it. It seems he preaches accountability but then only holds players like Svech to it.

He wants to get players on board then he needs to start rewarding the desired behavior and cutting ice time from those not performing as expected. This team will never fully pull in that direction as long as the two leaders can keep doing as they please while getting massive minutes.

 

[Thechozen1]

As much as it would be intriguing and perhaps even beneficial to the on ice product, I DON’T see the TNSE as the trailblazers to the European coaching pipeline. We’re just going to have to come to the reality that they’ll pick up some second hand has been coach. Hope I’m wrong, but until I see it, I won’t believe they can round up a truly awesome coaching staff. Things like that don’t happen for the Jets.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Well perhaps he needs to do a better job at it. It seems he preaches accountability but then only holds players like Svech to it.

He wants to hit players on board then he needs to start rewarding the desired behavior and cutting ice time from those not performing as expected. This team will never fully pull in that direction as long as the two leaders can keep doing as they please while getting massive minutes.

Problem is I think wheeler and schief have too much sway with chip man or Chevy. Must have taken someone’s kid out for ice cream. Then comes this assistant coach who has only been around for 3 years who wants to bench a living legend, how they see Wheeler.

Therefore, hard to bench schief and wheeler. I think Harkins is our best bottom 6 guy not svech. Don’t understand how Brooks got on pp over Harkins the 1 st game in the line up.

 

[Ducky10]

He's bad defensively. He's bad on the PP. He occasionally makes a nice offensive play at ES but that's it. I'd like to see your counterargument for how he's worth building around.

Who said anything about building around Pionk? Those are your words. He’s having a down year, but he’s still a viable top 4 defenseman. Terrible is just hyperbole. People wanted to run Morrissey out of town last season as well, he’s bounced back nicely. Way too early to throw in the towel on Pionk. Besides, the Jets don’t having anything in the pipeline on the right side to replace him anyway. I’d look for him to bounce back under a new coach.

 

[surixon]

Who said anything about building around Pionk? Those are your words. He’s having a down year, but he’s still a viable top 4 defenseman. Terrible is just hyperbole. People wanted to run Morrissey out of town last season as well, he’s bounced back nicely. Way too early to throw in the towel on Pionk. Besides, the Jets don’t having anything in the pipeline on the right side to replace him anyway. I’d look for him to bounce back under a new coach.

I'm sure Pionk will be fine. He's struggling after signing a big deal with heightened expectations. He's not the first player to have a rough first year under a new deal.

 

[surixon]

Problem is I think wheeler and schief have too much sway with chip man or Chevy. Must have taken someone’s kid out for ice cream. Then comes this assistant coach who has only been around for 3 years who wants to bench a living legend, how they see Wheeler.

Therefore, hard to bench schief and wheeler. I think Harkins is our best bottom 6 guy not svech. Don’t understand how Brooks got on pp over Harkins the 1 st game in the line up.

If that is the case we will just go in circles.

 

[johnnyonthspot]

I’m not sure if I should laugh or cry….

They are not worth crying over because only a few care enough. Poor helly wasting the best years of his career here!

 

[Snot Rocket]

He's bad defensively. He's bad on the PP. He occasionally makes a nice offensive play at ES but that's it. I'd like to see your counterargument for how he's worth building around.

 

[WpgSteve]

Problem is I think wheeler and schief have too much sway with chip man or Chevy. Must have taken someone’s kid out for ice cream. Then comes this assistant coach who has only been around for 3 years who wants to bench a living legend, how they see Wheeler.

Therefore, hard to bench schief and wheeler. I think Harkins is our best bottom 6 guy not svech. Don’t understand how Brooks got on pp over Harkins the 1 st game in the line up.

If we bench Wheeler and Schief, we score 0 tonight. Tough to win that way.

 

[johnnyonthspot]

Across the board this team is lacking in the talent department both on the ice and behind the bench

I was really dumbfounded when the pundits said this was a talented team. The defence is really porous, the bottom 6 is brutal and there 'stars' are inconsistent. The lack of heart and arrogance are the two things that have to change before things get better.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

If we bench Wheeler and Schief, we score 0 tonight. Tough to win that way.

You are making the all too common mistake of thinking that when changing or removing a variable all else will remain the same. If Scheif and Wheeler don't play, a completely different game is played. Those who take their place make completely different on ice choices. The differences emerge from the first non-appearance of S&W and compound from there. There is no way to know the outcome of the game that would have been played in their absence.

 

[jetsv2]

Finally saw a replay on Sportsnet. White between puck and line was clear, it was in. Don't know why they didn't challenge high stick though...nothing to lose. But that looked ok too really.

Lowry told reporters after the game that the league also reviewed the high stick, they ruled it was not a high stick.

 

[Jets 31]

Team needs Ehlers and Perfetti back big time, you just aren't going to win many games scoring only 1 or 2 goals a game. Both Dubois and Connor aren't scoring without Perfetti and we need Ehlers speed and scoring big time. I'm really hating this winter.

 

[WpgSteve]

I was really dumbfounded when the pundits said this was a talented team. The defence is really porous, the bottom 6 is brutal and there 'stars' are inconsistent. The lack of heart and arrogance are the two things that have to change before things get better.

I think that's right. We don't have the defence or depth to win. This is a bubble team that may make or miss the playoffs depending on how the stars play year to year.

The question is how to fix it. Depth at forward should be fixable with trades. The lack of legitimate 1st pair defenders is a bigger problem though. Scheifele or Dubois are likely the only pieces that would have any chance of bringing back a 1D and moving either one creates a big hole up front.

I'm starting to think maybe the best option is to trade Scheifele for a younger 1 RHD if that trade can be found. Sell off other older assets for draft picks or prospects with a view to rebuilding in 2 or 3 years around core of Dubois, Connor and Elhers if they are willing to stick around. Hope that Perfetti is able to fill a top 6 centre role and that we are able to draft a couple impact players during the rebuild. Try to keep Hellebuck as well depending on his next contract ask.

I say this as someone who thinks Scheifele is our best player and would be sad if he's moved. I also dont think we'll be competitive without Scheifele in the near term. That said, it may be our best way forward given the current roster holes and poor performance.

I'm also open to giving this core one more year with a new coaching staff and some ancillary roster moves to shore up depth. The roster hole at D will remain, but the team has a chance to outscore the problem and go deep in the playoffs if they get hot at the right time.

 

[kanadalainen]

Did they end up showing a video of it crossing the line? Was it a high stick?

I'd like to see that too.

EDIT - good goal by the clodhopping cud- swallowing oilbacked bilgewater-pissing Tejas greenmen

 

[kanadalainen]

sadly who is out there as a coach to coach this team that is a sound viable coach

Who is this Sadly fellow of whom you speak?

(googles it)

 

[kanadalainen]

I know many posters won't agree, but the Jets should hire the Coach from Finland who just coached them to a gold medal at the Olympics. They have an excellent hockey program, and have produced some great NHLrs, for such a small country of 5 million people. Teams from Finland are continually finishing in the top 3 teams in major tournaments. These people are smart, and know hockey.

What do we have to lose ? the guy is available, and I'll bet he'll do a way better job, and implement some good systems. If I owned the Jets, I'd tell Chevy to hire him.

I'm down with this. Why the hell not?

 

[kanadalainen]

This game..

The saving grace is that we have our snow shoveling to keep fit. Thank you bizarre, novel and incredibly persistent weather patterns.

 

[FFHockey]

I know he has literally been our only offensive threat, but 55's game just pissed me off so much last night. Having a letter alone should at the very least help drive you to go hard in both directions...or at least that's the way it used to work in my days!

You could very easily make the case that he was not only our best player last night, but was also our worst. Oates must have been proud of him for playing a prominent role in all 5 goals scored in that game.

 

[Babooch]

In what goddam schmockey night of an operation does Kyle Conner not start OT?

 

[kanadalainen]

In what goddam schmockey night of an operation does Kyle Conner not start OT?

 

[rkp]

Who is this Sadly fellow of whom you speak?

(googles it)

i believe his first name is Very