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News Article: A message from Glen Sather and Jeff Gorton

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NCRanger said:
I am not of the thinking that returns for this fire sale are going to be anything of major value.

May very well be half of what this board thinks.

This is going to be long and painful. Probably longer than anyone thinks. Younger does not automatically mean better and more talented.

I have no faith in this organization to get anything right, nor do I think anything will go right (cursed bad luck). I can easily see them signing John Tavares and either Tavares scores 12 points in the first 8 games and then breaks a leg, or Tavares coming in and being like most UFA signings.

Dolan is going to need Billy Joel to play three times a month until he dies.
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You know Billy's game.
 
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Mikos87 said:
Typically, teams negotiate for months before pulling the trigger on a deal. I'm sure the conversations started early after the start they had. To your point. I think they've come to some agreeable terms for some good assets.

My gut: It's Zucc.
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My gut is that it's a lot more than Zucc.

They wouldn't call a presser and send out a release just to brace the fanbase for a Zuccarello trade. He's popular, but hes not that popular. This isn't Lundqvist.
 
NCRanger said:
I am not of the thinking that returns for this fire sale are going to be anything of major value.

May very well be half of what this board thinks.

This is going to be long and painful. Probably longer than anyone thinks. Younger does not automatically mean better and more talented.

I have no faith in this organization to get anything right, nor do I think anything will go right (cursed bad luck). I can easily see them signing John Tavares and either Tavares scores 12 points in the first 8 games and then breaks a leg, or Tavares coming in and being like most UFA signings.

Dolan is going to need Billy Joel to play three times a month until he dies.
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Aside from baseless pessimism there is absolutely no reason to think guys like McD and/or Zucc won't return major value.
 
Zibanejad kreider Buchnevich shattenkirk skjei staal DeAngelo Pionk Fast Hayes Chytil Andersson Hank

Maybe Miller maybe Vesey

That’s 14 or 15 players that you still have to build around. This won’t be that awful.

Couple of good moves and we’ll be right back there. I wonder about Tavares I really do
 
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Lerb said:
It wasn't a joke either. He followed it up by saying they were well in the playoffs 12 games ago. Those two sentences summed up his entire tenure during the 2000s.
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But that is why the whole thing gives me the chills, they have a GM who is talking about a rebuild and last years draft, and then their president talking playoffs.

It's two opposing directions, the CBA rewards teams who miss the playoffs, it gives them assets that have a better chance work towards a rebuild. If all they are going to do is fight against the rules and supply and demand schedule built into the CBA, this is going be full of shortcuts and other stuff that goes against the point of a rebuild.

I guess I have to just give them the benefit of the doubt but I really am having a difficult time coming up with reasons why.
 
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Gardner McKay said:
Absolutely!!!!! Anyone that has ever been a manger, leader, captain, etc. knows that is the right approach. You don't single out one person when it really isn't one persons fault. Is AV a problem? ABSOLUTELY. Is he the whole problem? Likely not. Gorton went out there and did the right thing.
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You mean going out to the podium and saying something along the lines of

“Omg don’t pont fingers at me. I’m carrying as hard as I can. This boosted ass noob team sucks and they should kys pls!”

Would be inappropriate?
 
haveandare said:
Aside from baseless pessimism there is absolutely no reason to think guys like McD and/or Zucc won't return major value.
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Like, when was the last time a selling team got fleeced at the deadline? It's just not possible especially with two guys that do not have to go.

Nash/Grabner/Holden might not return blue chip, wow, let me change my avatar to this guy's face type young player but McDonagh and co. will bring back a lot.
 
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Lerb said:
Like, when was the last time a selling team got fleeced at the deadline? It's just not possible especially with two guys that do not have to go.

Nash/Grabner/Holden might not return blue chip, wow, let me change my avatar to this guy's face type young player but McDonagh and co. will bring back a lot.
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Exactly. They have multiple chances to move guys like McD and Zucc, they aren't going to move them for garbage just because. A 1D and a 1RW with this year and next can return a ton.
 
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haveandare said:
Aside from baseless pessimism there is absolutely no reason to think guys like McD and/or Zucc won't return major value.
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McD will, Nash probably will.

But this talk about Grabner bringing back a 1st is nonsense. Zucc doesn't bring back what what some think. It's not nothing, but nowhere close to what you might think.
 
Go Away Staal said:
My gut is that it's a lot more than Zucc.

They wouldn't call a presser and send out a release just to brace the fanbase for a Zuccarello trade. He's popular, but hes not that popular. This isn't Lundqvist.
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I want and expect a full sell-off. But I meant Zucc in terms of a deal that's in place.
 
NYR Viper said:
With this, I wonder if the team decides to keep some players out of some games...
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Not one player who they are going to trade (and obviously management already knows who) should play anymore. Healthy scratch them all. We are the NY Rangers. You know they will get hurt
 
Off Sides said:
But that is why the whole thing gives me the chills, they have a GM who is talking about a rebuild and last years draft, and then their president talking playoffs.

It's two opposing directions, the CBA rewards teams who miss the playoffs, it gives them assets that have a better chance work towards a rebuild. If all they are going to do is fight against the rules and supply and demand schedule built into the CBA, this is going be full of shortcuts and other stuff that goes against the point of a rebuild.

I guess I have to just give them the benefit of the doubt but I really am having a difficult time coming up with reasons why.
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I don't think Sather is capable of a proper rebuild. This is the age of the salary cap and thus asset management. Glen prospered in an age where hockey deals were made on predilections that were at times with egregious disregard for asset management. You're right to be worried. I wonder what kind of influence Sather has in the direction of the team. This is like when Stannis was preparing ships and waging a war with Melisandre whispering bullcrap about burning his daughter as sacrifice.
 
Brooklyn Rangers Fan said:
Not true at all.

1) These are quality assets: there will be a demand for them.
2) There's an artificial, non-negotiable deadline. You want these assets for this year, you need to make your best offer by the deadline, otherwise you don't have the player you want for the POs. Eliminates the tactic of stringing out the process.
3) It's a competitive market. You're not negotiating against the Rangers, you're negotiating against the offers from every other PO contender. AND you also have to factor in the value of keeping the players away from those other contenders.
4) A number of the players who will be available have multiple years left on their deals (notably McD and Zucc). If the Rangers don't get the value they want for them, they have two more chances to sell them (at the draft and next year's TDL).
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If all the other teams are negotiating against each other AND negotiating with the Rangers because the Rangers could use these players for a stretch run, as implausible as it is, the market is hotter and the price you fetch is higher.

4 shows exactly that. The more choices you have, the more you can fetch.
 
Lerb said:
I don't think Sather is capable of a proper rebuild. This is the age of the salary cap and thus asset management. Glen prospered in an age where hockey deals were made on predilections that were at times with egregious disregard for asset management. You're right to be worried. I wonder what kind of influence Sather has in the direction of the team. This is like when Stannis was preparing ships and waging a war with Melisandre whispering bullcrap about burning his daughter as sacrifice.
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You say this here, yet you criticized me for being pessimistic?
 
Lerb said:
I don't think Sather is capable of a proper rebuild. This is the age of the salary cap and thus asset management. Glen prospered in an age where hockey deals were made on predilections that were at times with egregious disregard for asset management. You're right to be worried. I wonder what kind of influence Sather has in the direction of the team. This is like when Stannis was preparing ships and waging a war with Melisandre whispering bullcrap about burning his daughter as sacrifice.
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I think Sather has influence if not the final vote on what moves are made. It's just a feeling but the contradicting moves that have been made this past off-season right up to the McLeod waiver pick-up and Smith now on waivers seem to indicate there are at least two if not more influences being placated.
 
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Off Sides said:
I think Sather has influence if not the final vote on what moves are made. It's just a feeling but the contradicting moves that have been made this past off-season right up to the McLeod waiver pick-up and Smith now on waivers seem to indicate there are at least two if not more influences being placated.
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Yeah.

People look at it as if Sather stepped down

I think he’s been just promoted.
 
What I don't get is they decided to sell off assets while in a playoff position. Three points out of a wild card spot now, and they gave up.

You have youth coming into the line up next year. I get that the team needs a retool, but this season didn't have to be completely lost.

Secondly, finishing bottom 5 means nothing. If you finish dead last you have just an 18% chance at the 1st overall.

And I'm not exactly convinced with our draft record.
 
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