Post-Game Talk: A little slow, a little late. Jets lose 3-2.

[garret9]

2 seasons he's scored 29 & 28. That's it. 2 seasons. Going from 15 & 17 the two previous seasons. That's also going from a tougher conference in the west and going to the east where there are more higher scoring games. 2 seasons isn't like Malkin consistent or Sedins consistent.

Well...

Even Strength and PP Production

YEAR | GP | ESTOI/60 | ESP/60 | ESG | ESA | PPTOI/60 | PPP/60 | PPG | PPA | SHTOI/60 | SHG | SHA | SOG | SH%
2007| 63|10.91| 2.18| 13| 15| 1.71| 2.78| 1| 4|0.04|0|0|131|10.7
2008| 82|12.88| 2.61| 15| 32| 0.41| 1.80| 0| 1|0.96|0|1|195|07.7
2009| 82|12.80| 2.11| 17| 19| 0.63| 1.17| 0| 1|0.09|0|0|148|11.5
2010| 81|14.40| 1.85| 18| 20| 2.89| 3.85| 9| 9|1.82|2|1|195|14.9
2011| 82|14.88| 1.77| 24| 14| 2.45| 2.98| 4| 8|1.52|0|0|265|10.6

Even Strength Advance Stats

YEAR | RelQoC | OZS | RelCorsi | Corsi | G/60 | A1/60 | P/60
2007| 0.452| 50.1| 05.8| 04.71| 1.14| 0.52| 2.18
2008| 1.615| 41.2| 03.9| 13.81| 0.85| 1.14| 2.61
2009| 0.674| 56.1| -00.2| 13.83| 0.97| 0.51| 2.11
2010| 0.824| 50.6| 09.5| 04.32| 0.87| 0.67| 1.85
2011| 0.487| 57.8| 17.1| 12.74| 1.08| 0.39| 1.77

Looks like he could have have been a 30+ goal scorer back in 2007-2009...

I broke it all down here. Ladd is a very very very very good 2nd liner. Good enough to pass as an ok 1st liner
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=57429089

 

[Hank Chinaski]

Adam Wasney tells it as he see's it, what's wrong with what he is saying exactly?

Nothing but for the fact it's insanely reactionary.

We're without Bogosian, getting wildly inconsistent goaltending (not referring to tonight, btw) and have a PP and PK that's mired in a brutal slump. I'm not sure what else you'd expect for results, and how that's a reflection of poor organizational moves.

Frustration with this team speaks more to unrealistic expectations than organizational failings.

 

[sipowicz]

What would you have Chevy do? Our #1 need was a center and Jokinen was the best center available on the UFA market. I know it's easier to kick and scream and throw a fit but I don't see what else there is to do. There are 20 other teams looking for help upfront as well ...

I give kudo's to Joke-in, guy played well enough in the final year of his contract in Calgary to make someone want to sign him. I'm not an Antro fan and I think he brings more to the team than Joke-in. You have to think Jets management is pretty disappointed in his play so far. They are paying the guy $4.5M per, he's not doing much more than $1.2M Wellwood who gets half the ice time.

 

[LadyJet26]

Nothing but for the fact it's insanely reactionary.

We're without Bogosian, getting wildly inconsistent goaltending (not referring to tonight, btw) and have a PP and PK that's mired in a brutal slump. I'm not sure what else you'd expect for results, and how that's a reflection of poor organizational moves.

Frustration with this team speaks more to unrealistic expectations than organizational failings.

slump or awful coaching. Still can't fathom why once they get in the zone that no big boy gets parked in front of the opposition's goalie to screen his ass. Powerplay 101.

 

[Positive]

2 seasons he's scored 29 & 28. That's it. 2 seasons. Going from 15 & 17 the two previous seasons. That's also going from a tougher conference in the west and going to the east where there are more higher scoring games. 2 seasons isn't like Malkin consistent or Sedins consistent.

If the Sedins and Malkins are the standard to be considered 1st or 2nd liners, that's a warped view of the NHL forward pool. Those guys are in the top 5-10% of forwards.

It took Ladd 6 NHL seasons before to reach the 29 goal mark. It took Daniel Sedin the same, Henrik 9 seasons. Not saying he's the equivalent of those guys - I'm just saying.

 

[Positive]

My Jets apathy is becoming frightening. I'm just sick of supporting losing teams. I still watch, pay for centre ice, and buy my merch. But every time they lose I hardly get mad anymore. We're a mediocre team. It just breaks my heart because I want to enjoy a winning Jets team so damn much. I want to win playoff tickets on the random draw and drive in from Calgary over night with "honk for the Jets" written on my rear window.

*sigh* being a fan of this team is a lot of misery it seems.

Could be worse, you could be a fan of the Cleveland Browns.

 

[sipowicz]

slump or awful coaching. Still can't fathom why once they get in the zone that no big boy gets parked in front of the opposition's goalie to screen his ass. Powerplay 101.

When Jets scored early in the season on the PP I recall Antro or Ladd parked in front, Jets stopped doing that and now can't score on the PP.

Why Burmi isn't on the PP is baffling.

 

[wilty00]

I'm a fan, but Jokinen has been pretty damn dissapointing over this last little stretch here. Was expecting the veteran guys (Poni, Jok, Antro) to really step up and make their presence' felt but they've completely dissapeared and made guys like Burmi and Ladd carry the heavy load.

That has got to change.

Also, is there ANYBODY that can get into Kane's head and knock him out of it when he gets tunnel vision like he's had these last few? Good lord man... I understand pucks on net is never a bad thing but get real.

 

[LadyJet26]

I give kudo's to Joke-in, guy played well enough in the final year of his contract in Calgary to make someone want to sign him. I'm not an Antro fan and I think he brings more to the team than Joke-in. You have to think Jets management is pretty disappointed in his play so far.

Antro is frustrating to watch because it looks like he's skating through molasses because he's so freaking tall. But Joke-in is invisible. At least I notice Antro in games.

 

[LadyJet26]

Could be worse, you could be a fan of the Cleveland Browns.

Or the Bombers

 

[Hank Chinaski]

My biggest problem with the powerplay as of late has been how slowly it develops. It's hard to do anything when teams are being given all day to set up and read the entry.

I'm beginning to think some of that is on Pearn. Seems like last season the Jets got up ice quickly and put teams back on their heels on the man advantage.

 

[LadyJet26]

When Jets scored early in the season on the PP I recall Antro or Ladd parked in front, Jets stopped doing that and now can't score on the PP.

Why Burmi isn't on the PP is baffling.

Ahhh omg meant big body, not big boy :S

They need to try something different or go back to basics. I go with go back to basics.

It's not like Vancouver's powerplay that can legitimately change course by just changing a couple of players.

 

[Che vy Teemuchuk]

Yeah, disappointing loss for sure. But I'm not feeling the devastation of the Leafs loss. Maybe it's because Bogo is in the bull pen all warmed up.

Peluso. Just want to say the blame for his first penalty is all on him. But it's too bad his first game had to be against a rat weasel like Rinaldo. Still, many teams have d bags like him on their teams so clearly the kid woulda been taken advantage of by a few teams. The second penalty, well, I'll have to get another look but I thought the call was pretty weak.

And one thing I told myself before checking HFBoards after this game was that at least the Ladd haters won't be out and about trolling him. But apparently I was very wrong. Just put "I hate Andrew Ladd" in your signature because dropping in here & now to talk crap about our captain is pure garbage. If demoting Ladd to the third line is the major thing you took away from this game, then God help you.

 

[surixon]

I'm a fan, but Jokinen has been pretty damn dissapointing over this last little stretch here. Was expecting the veteran guys (Poni, Jok, Antro) to really step up and make their presence' felt but they've completely dissapeared and made guys like Burmi and Ladd carry the heavy load.

That has got to change.

Also, is there ANYBODY that can get into Kane's head and knock him out of it when he gets tunnel vision like he's had these last few? Good lord man... I understand pucks on net is never a bad thing but get real.

Kane was fine today. He had about four A quality scoring chances and had one of them gone in it would have been a different game. I also can't fault him for trying to carry it more tonight because honestly his linemates were MIA. I can't count how many times he broke in and had no support to move the puck to.

 

[Duke749]

That is because that is exactly what it is. Nothing more, nothing less. We aren't going to make the playoffs this year and liklely next with the management/coaching we have now. Sad but more than likely true. However, I had a gut instinct this would happen stemming back to last year. And I'm even going to call it as what will happen for next year as well. I really truly feel that there needs to be some internal shifting and motivation to make this team a true contender. We aren't going to be a contenter with the management/coaching we have now, unless they change their mindset somehow. I get TN is all about "loyalty", but I'm hoping they will also find a way to integrate "winning" into their mindset and give the fans something to cheer about. I really don't want to be another Atlanta or Edmonton, thanks.

So let me get this straight, you want to give up on this management/coaching when they have had a say in a grand total of 5 players currently on this roster with at most 4(usually 3 unless Montoya plays) on any given night. Most of these players are here because of completely different management and part of me wonders if this is slightly interfering with how they want this team built. Don't get me wrong, I think we can win with about half these guys here, but until the Jets draft picks start to make an impact we might see games and seasons like this.

Like Hains for example, he's a good player for us, but what if he was physical like Stuart? He'd be a perfect fit. What Antropov was replaced with a guy like Stoll or Bolland that could play 2nd or 3rd line and pk? What if guys like Welly and Poni were replaced with guys like Ladd from his Chicago days? And then you give guys like Burmi, Schief, Kane, Bogo, etc a couple more years and how do you think they'll look?

 

[sipowicz]

My biggest problem with the powerplay as of late has been how slowly it develops. It's hard to do anything when teams are being given all day to set up and read the entry.

I'm beginning to think some of that is on Pearn. Seems like last season the Jets got up ice quickly and put teams back on their heels on the man advantage.

Bogo coming back should help, the Jets need to utilize Buff's shot more, Postma, Redmond, Bogo and even Hainsey can all fire the puck, but if you never have anyone in front..

 

[garret9]

No one cares about Garret's stats
I just showed that Ladd's low goal totals before 2010-11 were due to low icetime and him being not a top6 player

 

[Positive]

My biggest problem with the powerplay as of late has been how slowly it develops. It's hard to do anything when teams are being given all day to set up and read the entry.

I'm beginning to think some of that is on Pearn. Seems like last season the Jets got up ice quickly and put teams back on their heels on the man advantage.

The PK during the Ottawa game looked amazing but I think that was more because Ottawa's PP looked like our PP.

So far bringing in Perry Pearn hasn't improved our special teams one bit.

 

[Gump Hasek]

Hoooeeeee.

Peluso's debut wasn't exactly golden but he did not cost us the game anyway. Doubt we'll see much of him in the future.

Wellwood? I'm a fan when he plays well but he has been horrible this season. He looks like he doesn't even care; bye, Kyle. We've traded you for a pick. Poni is playing like he is either playing hurt or he is scared to get hurt.

The Jets have a bigger team but zero jam. Bring up Cormier and try him in the middle on the third line. The guy in that spot currently diddles around with the puck a lot and accomplishes little; two points 1/4 through the season. Redmond was a gong show tonight, Postma wasn't much better. Rooks on the pp blue line? Yikes.

WTH is our GM doing all day long? I'm not talking about cleaning house; that will happen at season end regardless - given all of the expiring contracts. Can't they just at least give Cormier a try though in the meantime? They need some enthusiasm in that lineup, even if it comes via an in-house shakeup. Do something.

Bah. Disregard. I'm just angry.

 

[Jet]

Why? what does he bring that Thorburn doesn't?

This is mind numbingly maddening to me.

How do people make such snap damned judgements all the time.

Let me state a FACT.

If players careers could hinge on ONE game, not one player would be in the NHL.

Peluso may not fit for the jets, but for the love of god it was his first game!

 

[sipowicz]

The PK during the Ottawa game looked amazing but I think that was more because Ottawa's PP looked like our PP.

So far bringing in Perry Pearn hasn't improved our special teams one bit.

only took Montreal 5 games to figure that out last season

 

[Positive]

Well...



Looks like he could have have been a 30+ goal scorer back in 2007-2009...

I broke it all down here. Ladd is a very very very very good 2nd liner. Good enough to pass as an ok 1st liner
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=57429089

Good stats.

 

[LadyJet26]

Yeah, disappointing loss for sure. But I'm not feeling the devastation of the Leafs loss. Maybe it's because Bogo is in the bull pen all warmed up.

Peluso. Just want to say the blame for his first penalty is all on him. But it's too bad his first game had to be against a rat weasel like Rinaldo. Still, many teams have d bags like him on their teams so clearly the kid woulda been taken advantage of by a few teams. The second penalty, well, I'll have to get another look but I thought the call was pretty weak.

And one thing I told myself before checking HFBoards after this game was that at least the Ladd haters won't be out and about trolling him. But apparently I was very wrong. Just put "I hate Andrew Ladd" in your signature because dropping in here & now to talk crap about our captain is pure garbage. If demoting Ladd to the third line is the major thing you took away from this game, then God help you.

My Ladd hate existed long before the Jets 2.0 existed so I'm entitled to my opinion thanks.

If the Jets were a good team, he would be on the 3rd line.

And sorry I don't wear Jets coloured glasses all the time. I'm sure there are players you don't like who are on the Jets. Don't like Buff either. He is not a very good dman at all.

 

[Duke749]

No one cares about Garret's stats
I just showed that Ladd's low goal totals before 2010-11 were due to low icetime and him being not a top6 player

I had actually already known that from a good while back. And I was waiting for you to post something after that silly comment.

 

[Lynk]

Well...

Looks like he could have have been a 30+ goal scorer back in 2007-2009...

Great stats, bro.