Prospect Info: 9OA: Nate Danielson

[sepster]

I will be.

 

[Barry Amsterdam]

well anyways. has points in 10 of 11 games for portland. All that’s lacking is the amount of big multi point games. Incredibly consistent tho

 

[lilidk]

well anyways. has points in 10 of 11 games for portland. All that’s lacking is the amount of big multi point games. Incredibly consistent tho

we got Joe Sakic lite

 

[jkutswings]

we got Joe Sakic lite

That description may be a bit heavy handed.

(Bad joke? No worries, it'll blow over soon enough.)

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

Again, I'm not too worried about his point production because he plays a 200 ft game. The guys in the WHL who are scoring 1.5+ PPG aren't playing any defense. Patrice Bergeron was sub-PPG in the QMJHL and AHL before hitting the NHL.

If you look at the FO numbers for Portland they are likely using him all across the ice.

 

[Holden Caufield]

Again, I'm not too worried about his point production because he plays a 200 ft game. The guys in the WHL who are scoring 1.5+ PPG aren't playing any defense. Patrice Bergeron was sub-PPG in the QMJHL and AHL before hitting the NHL.

If you look at the FO numbers for Portland they are likely using him all across the ice.

C’mon man… don’t do this. Bergeron never played a game in the Q above the age of 17.

Bergeron did score over 2 PPG and won WJC tournament MVP and gold medal. That is his ONLY sample as a junior level player over the age of 17.

Danielson played 4th line right wing on a 5th place team.(And Russia wasn’t even there).

Bergeron and Sakic are first ballot Hall of Famers. These comparisons are pretty far out there. I honestly think some posters are joking about this stuff, but some posters are actually being serious? So I’m actually confused reading this thread.

 

[Konnan511]

C’mon man… don’t do this. Bergeron never played a game in the Q above the age of 17.

Bergeron did score over 2 PPG and won WJC tournament MVP and gold medal. That is his ONLY sample as a junior level player over the age of 17.

Danielson played 4th line right wing on a 5th place team.(And Russia wasn’t even there).

Bergeron and Sakic are first ballot Hall of Famers. These comparisons are pretty far out there. I honestly think some posters are joking about this stuff, but some posters are actually being serious. So I don’t know what to think about this thread anymore.

Not to mention Bergeron was exactly a PPG payer.

 

[Frk It]

well anyways. has points in 10 of 11 games for portland. All that’s lacking is the amount of big multi point games. Incredibly consistent tho

Yeah it weird, I feel like I have seen him have 1 game all year where he had more than 2 points in a game?

You would think given his age and ability and team he is on he would just walk into some 3 or 4 point games.

 

[lilidk]

That description may be a bit heavy handed.

(Bad joke? No worries, it'll blow over soon enough.)

Sakic had never had crazy multipoint games, he was very good defensively an steady also very nice guy. Forsberg was wow guy
I also see Danielson as very nice guy and steady hockey player, he will never be as good, but very good team addition

 

[schuelma24]

A week ago Portland won a game 9-0 I believe. He had 3 assists in the first period, when it was kind of a game, and that was it.

Does it make him less of a prospect that he didn't pour it on with his teammates in a total blowout and get 5-6 points?

Obviously I want to see him get as many points as he can, but chasing them clearly isn't his game, and I don't think it's going to materially impact what he does for the Wings.

 

[Holden Caufield]

Sakic had never had crazy multipoint games, he was very good defensively an steady also very nice guy. Forsberg was wow guy
I also see Danielson as very nice guy and steady hockey player, he will never be as good, but very good team addition

Sakic scored 160 points in a Junior season. He averaged a multi point game every night.

A week ago Portland won a game 9-0 I believe. He had 3 assists in the first period, when it was kind of a game, and that was it.

Does it make him less of a prospect that he didn't pour it on with his teammates in a total blowout and get 5-6 points?

Obviously I want to see him get as many points as he can, but chasing them clearly isn't his game, and I don't think it's going to materially impact what he does for the Wings.

In Brandon, he couldn’t produce offense because the team around him was too bad.
In Portland, the team is so good that he can’t be bothered to produce offense.

Must be waiting until the conditions are just right. Maybe we Nickname him Goldilocks?

 

[schuelma24]

Sakic scored 160 points in a Junior season. He averaged a multi point game every night.


In Brandon, he couldn’t produce offense because the team around him was too bad.
In Portland, the team is so good that he can’t be bothered to produce offense.

Must be waiting until the conditions are just right. Maybe we Nickname him Goldilocks?

Thats not at all what I was trying to say. I think he’ll score more with Portland pretty easily, but he’s not going to be at 1.6-1.7 ppg.

 

[19 for president]

Danielson just has a game that screams better Pro than Junior player to me. Watching in the preseason you could see that he thinks the game at an NHL level. As long as he can maintain around a point per game I'm ok with that, because I think he's a guy whose game translates at a more static level than a lot of guys in junior.

Outside of the most elite junior scorers (and to be clear I don't see ND as an elite scorer) most guys have to change their game quite a bit to play at the NHL and sometimes even AHL level because most of the stuff you do to score goals down there does not work in the Pro game. You lose offense because you have to focus on 2 way play. Danielson already does this so I don't think you'll see as much of a drop off in his play.

I think he projects as a 60-70 point 2nd line center at the NHL level and that's pretty good for 9th overall. He is one of the few guys in his range that I think you can say will play center for sure. Were there better offensive guys available, probably, but I am not as concerned as most after watching him in the preseason.

 

[Our Lady Peace]

Danielson just has a game that screams better Pro than Junior player to me. Watching in the preseason you could see that he thinks the game at an NHL level. As long as he can maintain around a point per game I'm ok with that, because I think he's a guy whose game translates at a more static level than a lot of guys in junior.

Outside of the most elite junior scorers (and to be clear I don't see ND as an elite scorer) most guys have to change their game quite a bit to play at the NHL and sometimes even AHL level because most of the stuff you do to score goals down there does not work in the Pro game. You lose offense because you have to focus on 2 way play. Danielson already does this so I don't think you'll see as much of a drop off in his play.

I think he projects as a 60-70 point 2nd line center at the NHL level and that's pretty good for 9th overall. He is one of the few guys in his range that I think you can say will play center for sure. Were there better offensive guys available, probably, but I am not as concerned as most after watching him in the preseason.

Very well said. Some players just have that hockey sense where it screams NHL player. It's cliche, but those are the players that the puck always seems to follow. You start to see things in his game that tilt the ice. Little things he does so consistently that he sometimes doesn't really "stand out".

I'm surprised that all of us watched how polished he was in preseason, and still determined that his upside was not that high based on his stats last season, and now this season. He doesn't have to have 100 points on the season already to be a great prospect.

I'm on board with your projection and I can see him developing enough where he has a few years as a 1C honestly. Something of a ROR would be an excellent outcome (trophies are a bonus).

 

[Gniwder]

C’mon man… don’t do this. Bergeron never played a game in the Q above the age of 17.

Bergeron did score over 2 PPG and won WJC tournament MVP and gold medal. That is his ONLY sample as a junior level player over the age of 17.

Danielson played 4th line right wing on a 5th place team.(And Russia wasn’t even there).

Bergeron and Sakic are first ballot Hall of Famers. These comparisons are pretty far out there. I honestly think some posters are joking about this stuff, but some posters are actually being serious? So I’m actually confused reading this thread.

Oh, they very much are. Just say that Seider isn't going to win the Norris and you'll a a dozen replies, lol. Apparently Danielson is Bergeron, and Kasper is Marchand playing center. The Red Wings are gonna be the next Boston Bruins. Lyon will be Tim Thomas in his prime.


That being said, I'm almost certain Danielson will be an NHLer. HOF? Probably not, but I won't rule it out yet. He does have potential beyond his stats.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Well, I won't be impressed until Danielson wins the Cy Young, but that is just me!

wait, hold the fack on, he hasn't done that yet?

Why hype this loser then? Everything is now in questioned.

 

[Hen Kolland]

That being said, I'm almost certain Danielson will be an NHLer. HOF? Probably not, but I won't rule it out yet.

I want you to be careful making such bold and reckless statements like this...you don't want to be outlandish or anything.

"That being said, I'm almost certain **Insert Top 10 Pick playing in their D+1 season here** will be an NHLer. HOF? Probably not, but I won't rule it out yet."

I guess a less confrontational way of me responding to this is asking you to define what "Be an NHLer" means to you? Is it as simple as just a number of games played? Does it have a certain level of performance tied to it? Because Riley Sheahan meets the definition of an NHLer technically, but he had 194 points in 637 games in his career, and Wings fans almost collectively hated him and some would struggle to call him an NHLer.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

I want you to be careful making such bold and reckless statements like this...you don't want to be outlandish or anything.

"That being said, I'm almost certain **Insert Top 10 Pick playing in their D+1 season here** will be an NHLer. HOF? Probably not, but I won't rule it out yet."

I guess a less confrontational way of me responding to this is asking you to define what "Be an NHLer" means to you? Is it as simple as just a number of games played? Does it have a certain level of performance tied to it? Because Riley Sheahan meets the definition of an NHLer technically, but he had 194 points in 637 games in his career, and Wings fans almost collectively hated him and some would struggle to call him an NHLer.

I think you would have to have both qualitative and quantitative measurements.

In your example of Sheahan, he managed 637 games in the NHL due to a combination of roster happenstance and his draft position. Multiple NHL teams hoped there was more there than there was. At the end of the day he is out of professional hockey at the age of 32 because he just wasn't very good. From what I understand him and his wife thought he could just show up and do jack shit in the NHL and deserve a roster spot.

 

[cvaicunas]

Sakic had never had crazy multipoint games, he was very good defensively an steady also very nice guy. Forsberg was wow guy
I also see Danielson as very nice guy and steady hockey player, he will never be as good, but very good team addition

I used to be terrified of what Forsberg might do in a playoff series against the Wings

 

[Gniwder]

I want you to be careful making such bold and reckless statements like this...you don't want to be outlandish or anything.

"That being said, I'm almost certain **Insert Top 10 Pick playing in their D+1 season here** will be an NHLer. HOF? Probably not, but I won't rule it out yet."

I guess a less confrontational way of me responding to this is asking you to define what "Be an NHLer" means to you? Is it as simple as just a number of games played? Does it have a certain level of performance tied to it? Because Riley Sheahan meets the definition of an NHLer technically, but he had 194 points in 637 games in his career, and Wings fans almost collectively hated him and some would struggle to call him an NHLer.

I'm 100% certain he will be better than Riley, lol.

Top 10 picks aren't sure things either, remember all of the arguments we had about Zadina? Even Raz wasn't a sure thing, his skating was horrible, but he's improved significantly. McIlrath was also a top 10 pick as far as players who have recently played for the Wings.

But to address your argument, let's say middle six center, as a bare minimum, and not a 4th line journeyman plug like Sheahan, ZAR, or Fischer. And to be fair to Riley, he's 27th in points for his draft class, and at 637 games, I'd say he's a legit NHLer. Plus he's got more points than LGD who was loved here.

 

[raymond23]

4 points and a full period to go tonight

 

[raymond23]

Make it 5 points (1+4)

 

[Holden Caufield]

Make it 5 points (1+4)

 

[RED WINGS STOMP]

I almost wonder if Portland will hurt his development a bit. That team is steamrolling teams these days. Game is a little too easy for the Winterhawks right now.

Won't be this easy at the higher levels.

Ah, Nate is a super smart player, I shouldn't over think it.

 

[Our Lady Peace]

One of his assists