Prospect Info: 9OA: Nate Danielson

[JediOrderPizza]

Benson Ruben Marner over here.

 

[lilidk]

Benson has exactly 2 assists in 6 NHL games and has been very obviously outmatched by grown men.

Buffalo ruining him, like they did to many others

 

[izlez]

Benson simultaneously a home-run pick because he made it to the NHL right after being drafted and also ruining his career by playing in the NHL right after being drafted

 

[Frk It]

It's a little early for these kinds of prognostications.

Those that have watched Danielson can attest he's played very well on one of the worst CHL teams in any of the three leagues. Let's revisit after the WJC before we declare him a bust, or only a second liner, or a future superstar.

Ideally I'd like to see him get moved to a better team, but we don't have to embellish to make excuses for him. McQueen has been able to put up 25 pts in 21 games as a 16/17 year old on the same team. Danielson has been able to spend a decent amount of time playing with McQueen, who is a solid linemate to have. Danielson should have been able to provide more of an impact than he has thus far (same with Kasper).

I am not worried about it too much, because I expect both Danielson and Kasper to pick things up over the remainder of the season. But I think we should be putting a little more onus on the player here and not just blaming their situation so much.

 

[stillwater]

Buffalo ruining him, like they did to many others

They've ruined him in 6 NHL games?

Make some f***ing sense, will you?

 

[heyfolks]

It's a little early for these kinds of prognostications.

Those that have watched Danielson can attest he's played very well on one of the worst CHL teams in any of the three leagues. Let's revisit after the WJC before we declare him a bust, or only a second liner, or a future superstar.

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9 teams with fewer points. 8-9 W-L with 5 OTL and only 1 OTW.

The Wings were handcuffed with Nate. It was either NHL or Junior, not AHL. No one asked, and I don't get the logic, but being ineligible for the AHL doesn't make sense to me.

I was also scolded for even bringing up the Wings should try and influence a trade. That could still occur but, if I read the standings correctly they do hold a playoff spot (7) today. I doubt the owner want to ship his best player to help the Wings if it means missing the post season. < have to think the gate is everything for a WHL team.

 

[Gniwder]

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9 teams with fewer points. 8-9 W-L with 5 OTL and only 1 OTW.

The Wings were handcuffed with Nate. It was either NHL or Junior, not AHL. No one asked, and I don't get the logic, but being ineligible for the AHL doesn't make sense to me.

I was also scolded for even bringing up the Wings should try and influence a trade. That could still occur but, if I read the standings correctly they do hold a playoff spot (7) today. I doubt the owner want to ship his best player to help the Wings if it means missing the post season. < have to think the gate is everything for a WHL team.

The CHL/NHL transfer agreement protects the CHL. If the kids were allowed to play in the AHL, then it strips the CHL of talent. That's bad for attendance and also for development of younger players due to reduced talent level.

It would be nice to exempt first round picks similar to the SHL agreement. Other than that, it makes sense. The NHL needs the CHL. Destroying the development league in Canada does not do the NHL any good.

 

[stillwater]

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No one asked, and I don't get the logic, but being ineligible for the AHL doesn't make sense to me.

Wouldn't it just be easier to look up the rules regarding CHL draft picks, instead of coming back here to moan about it ... again?

 

[lilidk]

They've ruined him in 6 NHL games?

Make some f***ing sense, will you?

I was surprised he's in NHL, small guy and the way he plays, he could get killed against NHL. Same applies to ASP, those kinda players should be not in NHL till 20

 

[Frk It]

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9 teams with fewer points. 8-9 W-L with 5 OTL and only 1 OTW.

The Wings were handcuffed with Nate. It was either NHL or Junior, not AHL. No one asked, and I don't get the logic, but being ineligible for the AHL doesn't make sense to me.

I was also scolded for even bringing up the Wings should try and influence a trade. That could still occur but, if I read the standings correctly they do hold a playoff spot (7) today. I doubt the owner want to ship his best player to help the Wings if it means missing the post season. < have to think the gate is everything for a WHL team.

I understand when we don’t get the results we want, we question the process. But I think the decision to put Danielson in the WHL and Kasper in the AHL were totally fine ones. I think both players just need to play better and can/will.

The fact that we’re lamenting a player having a hard time putting up offense in the WHL not being in the AHL is pretty baffling to me.

 

[Gniwder]

I understand when we don’t get the results we want, we question the process. But I think the decision to put Danielson in the WHL and Kasper in the AHL were totally fine ones. I think both players just need to play better and can/will.

The fact that we’re lamenting a player having a hard time putting up offense in the WHL not being in the AHL is pretty baffling to me.

Especially considering GR is having a tougher time scoring....

 

[heyfolks]

I understand when we don’t get the results we want, we question the process. But I think the decision to put Danielson in the WHL and Kasper in the AHL were totally fine ones. I think both players just need to play better and can/will.

The fact that we’re lamenting a player having a hard time putting up offense in the WHL not being in the AHL is pretty baffling to me.

I didn't mention Kasper because I think he is right placed. Danielson is not. He is caught up in the rules, which isn't a Wings or player management issue. That the team is borderline playoff fodder was known before he was returned. He'll work hard and do what he can until he heads to the AHL next season. My point was, I don't get the rule. Why can't an 18 / 19year old play in the AHL.

 

[heyfolks]

Wouldn't it just be easier to look up the rules regarding CHL draft picks, instead of coming back here to moan about it ... again?

No.

 

[stillwater]

It really penalizes the CHL team that has invested interests in the player.

Danielson is Brandon's captain and best player. How do you sell tickets to junior hockey games when NHL teams can just send your best player anywhere they want?

Danielson is way more important to Brandon than Kasper ever was to his SHL team.

It's not that difficult to comprehend. Kill junior hockey and you kill your #1 player feeding system.

It's a catch-22, but if you have a better system, please let the hockey world know.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

It really penalizes the CHL team that has invested interests in the player.

Danielson is Brandon's captain and best player. How do you sell tickets to junior hockey games when NHL teams can just send your best player anywhere they want?

Danielson is way more important to Brandon than Kasper ever was to his SHL team.

It's not that difficult to comprehend. Kill junior hockey and you kill your #1 player feeding system.

It's a catch-22, but if you have a better system, please let the hockey world know.

He is a high draft pick that is a fall draft guy, so this is his last CHL season. Those guys are routinely dealt, generally to a Memorial Cup host, or a super contender. The reason is they pay the bounty of future assets in order to move off the player. Brandon is not going to benefit massively from how good Danielson is other than turning him into 5 draft picks and doing a better job drafting more and deeper in the WHL draft.

If they see fit to hold onto him okay, I would be very surprised if he finished the season there. If he has a good WJC-20 it puts more heat on trading him in my opinion.

Sorry, missed the context, was arguing for the trade, not the merits of the CHL rule. Yes a big part of keeping the players there is to help you actually evaluate the talent down there and keep the leagues at a certain strength. I do think teams should probably have a waiver exemption they can use say once out of every three years. You take it seriously that way from a NHL organization standpoint.

 

[lilidk]

I understand when we don’t get the results we want, we question the process. But I think the decision to put Danielson in the WHL and Kasper in the AHL were totally fine ones. I think both players just need to play better and can/will.

The fact that we’re lamenting a player having a hard time putting up offense in the WHL not being in the AHL is pretty baffling to me.

The best scenario for both of them is playing together in SHL for 1 more year

 

[Astyanax]

"Finally got around to watching a single game of his, turns out he doesn't have high potential"

I like this. It reminds me of my friend Suzanne.
She's a little bitter. She just lost all that weight and as it turns out, she doesn't have a pretty face.

 

[Geezer WC]

It really penalizes the CHL team that has invested interests in the player.

Danielson is Brandon's captain and best player. How do you sell tickets to junior hockey games when NHL teams can just send your best player anywhere they want?

Danielson is way more important to Brandon than Kasper ever was to his SHL team.

It's not that difficult to comprehend. Kill junior hockey and you kill your #1 player feeding system.

It's a catch-22, but if you have a better system, please let the hockey world know.

C'mon. Everyone sells out to the top 6 contenders every year for prospects to teams that are trying to be 1 out of 60 to win the Mem cup.

He is a high draft pick that is a fall draft guy, so this is his last CHL season. Those guys are routinely dealt, generally to a Memorial Cup host, or a super contender. The reason is they pay the bounty of future assets in order to move off the player. Brandon is not going to benefit massively from how good Danielson is other than turning him into 5 draft picks and doing a better job drafting more and deeper in the WHL draft.

If they see fit to hold onto him okay, I would be very surprised if he finished the season there. If he has a good WJC-20 it puts more heat on trading him in my opinion.

Sorry, missed the context, was arguing for the trade, not the merits of the CHL rule. Yes a big part of keeping the players there is to help you actually evaluate the talent down there and keep the leagues at a certain strength. I do think teams should probably have a waiver exemption they can use say once out of every three years. You take it seriously that way from a NHL organization standpoint.

This.

 

[stillwater]

C'mon. Everyone sells out to the top 6 contenders every year for prospects to teams that are trying to be 1 out of 60 to win the Mem cup.

Right, I've never suggested that teams don't do that. Or, suggested that Danielson wouldn't be moved at some point.

Him being traded doesn't diminish his value to Brandon ... in fact it enhances his value to the Wheat Kings.

Somehow the point generally gets lost in translation.

 

[RedHawkDown]

another pointless game as we argue about whether he’s too good for the WHL

 

[Geezer WC]

Right, I've never suggested that teams don't do that. Or, suggested that Danielson wouldn't be moved at some point.

Him being traded doesn't diminish his value to Brandon ... in fact it enhances his value to the Wheat Kings.

Somehow the point generally gets lost in translation.

Mason McTavaish and Robert Thomas got traded to a contender. Your point is lost in translation.

 

[Winged Wheel Willy]

I think we sometimes loose track of the fact that these are skilled players but without NHL bodies. Even playing in the AHL is a significant difference to junior in terms of the physical toll an entire season takes on the body. Danielson has a great frame. He has the speed. But let him grow stronger while in junior. I highly doubt that an 82 game schedule with his current physique would’ve been a great idea.

 

[haulinbass]

Disn't appear playing for Gr

I think we sometimes loose track of the fact that these are skilled players but without NHL bodies. Even playing in the AHL is a significant difference to junior in terms of the physical toll an entire season takes on the body. Danielson has a great frame. He has the speed. But let him grow stronger while in junior. I highly doubt that an 82 game schedule with his current physique would’ve been a great idea.

Doesn't appear Grand Rapids in general is a good idea right now.

 

[stillwater]

Mason McTavaish and Robert Thomas got traded to a contender. Your point is lost in translation.

You completely missed the point the first time around.

 

[Electric Eric]

Still think Everett is the right landing place for him.

Portland is my homer pick obvs.