Prospect Info: 9OA: Nate Danielson

[nafrelio]

Happy to hear he's doing well in preseason - cheering for my hometown guy. I saw him working out in Red Deer this summer and he didn't look like he had an 18 year old physique. If the best move is to send him back to Junior, it will be more to develop offensively than to just get stronger, IMO.

 

[takimaki]

Loan him to our Swedish “Farm Team” Rögle. Problem solved.

 

[Gniwder]

Loan him to our Swedish “Farm Team” Rögle. Problem solved.

For the tenth time in this thread, he cannot play in Europe unless he gets released from his WHL contract. If he gets released then he might as well play in GR, but that's not gonna happen.

 

[Oddbob]

Many have wasted development years for this kind of non-competitive season.

Some players won't. But there are multiple cases who waste season.

If you can already play against men, you go for it.

Typical young player is and idiot who can play defensive hockey and that's why they typically are sent to juniors.

But Danielson has that defence and was one of the strongest also at combine. So he has those 2 tools, which prospects many times lack on this age, and which are the reasons go back to juniors.

He doesn't have those reasons, so why go there. Learn from the best and go against higher competition.

Sorry, but you are wrong. There is literally no proof that more years against less competition hurt anyone.

 

[ShanahanMan]

Has everyone back to earth now?

 

[Rolo Tomassi]

Happy to hear he's doing well in preseason - cheering for my hometown guy. I saw him working out in Red Deer this summer and he didn't look like he had an 18 year old physique. If the best move is to send him back to Junior, it will be more to develop offensively than to just get stronger, IMO.

I love stories like this, thanks for sharing.

Also, it’s not surprising that he looks strong, I believe he tested very well at the combine.

 

[norrisnick]

Sorry, but you are wrong. There is literally no proof that more years against less competition hurt anyone.

I mean, there is no proof supporting any process because there is never an ability to try more than one per player and every player is different.

You can never know that a different path would have been better.

 

[SCD]

I do not believe adversity negatively effects players with a high level of self drive. It may actually push them harder to succeed. Playing at the highest level of competition will expose the player to far greater situations to actually learn from.

The key is playing time. If Danielson stays in the NHL, he needs to be given the opportunity to play in every situation to gain those experiences. Is Lalonde more willing then Blashill to do that?

 

[Henkka]

It was unfair to put him to play so many games, no one went 3-in-a-row and that final one with an atrocious roster.

 

[jkutswings]

It was unfair to put him to play so many games, no one went 3-in-a-row and that final one with an atrocious roster.

During pregame Lalonde said they have been deliberately pushing him with excess. Sounds like his IQ and poise were even higher than they had thought and they're trying to squeeze every ounce of experience they can from the preseason.

 

[Indrid Cold]

During pregame Lalonde said they have been deliberately pushing him with excess. Sounds like his IQ and poise were even higher than they had thought and they're trying to squeeze every ounce of experience they can from the preseason.

Seeing if they can break him, and it looks like they couldn't. Good sign.

 

[jkutswings]

Seeing if they can break him, and it looks like they couldn't. Good sign.

Newest advanced development technique:

 

[lilidk]

I believe Makar spend extra 2 years In NCAA , he was also late birthday

 

[Henkka]

I believe Makar spend extra 2 years In NCAA , he was also late birthday

This would be nice, if anyhow possible. More competitive league, but not too tough level.

 

[Hen Kolland]

Has everyone back to earth now?

I notice you have to ask for confirmation because you don't reside on Earth to confirm for yourself

 

[Indrid Cold]

Newest advanced development technique:

What doesn't penalty kill you, makes you stronger.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Has everyone back to earth now?

He didn't have a bad game......he was just not noticeable. He used his body to knock people of pucks to gain possession, but he didn't have a bad giveaway, lapse in decision-making, etc.

He literally played an average game that is still better than what we have gotten all of last year from literally everyone in the bottom 6. Also didn't help that soderblom was just playing not like we have been seeing and he had to clean his mistakes up.

 

[Detroit Knights]

He didn't have a bad game......he was just not noticeable. He used his body to knock people of pucks to gain possession, but he didn't have a bad giveaway, lapse in decision-making, etc.

He literally played an average game that is still better than what we have gotten all of last year from literally everyone in the bottom 6. Also didn't help that soderblom was just playing not like we have been seeing and he had to clean his mistakes up.

I will and did quote to my own post.

If he plays against toronto's a team and he does bad, I will lay off on the danielson love.

However, if he plays great and shows he belongs and still doesn't get a spot and berggren/fischer do, I would highly suspect all of you would join me in picketing outside LCA.

 

[jkutswings]

I will and did quote to my own post.

If he plays against toronto's a team and he does bad, I will lay off on the danielson love.

However, if he plays great and shows he belongs and still doesn't get a spot and berggren/fischer do, I would highly suspect all of you would join me in picketing outside LCA.

At a minimum, I don't know that either Danielson or Fischer could do anything in the next few games that convinces me that Fischer belongs in the lineup over Danielson.

 

[Detroit Knights]

At a minimum, I don't know that either Danielson or Fischer could do anything in the next few games that convinces me that Fischer belongs in the lineup over Danielson.

He is being used as a locker room type guy i guess. But at the same time, danielson as outperformed him significantly and has much more upside.

This is where I love that we don't do the "tie goes to the vet" type thing because I never understood that argument. If there is a tie between a rookie and a vet, then the rookie should get the nod because the vet has had how long in the league and can't outperform the rook? Please.

 

[Frk It]

At a minimum, I don't know that either Danielson or Fischer could do anything in the next few games that convinces me that Fischer belongs in the lineup over Danielson.

It makes more sense for Fischer to play 9-12 minutes a night than Danielson.

 

[jkutswings]

It makes more sense for Fischer to play 9-12 minutes a night than Danielson.

I suppose my comment should have been more like, "do what's best for the kid, but he's already significantly outperformed one or two of the vets".

 

[stillwater]

He's "significantly outperformed" more than one or two vets. But I don't think you can keep him up unless he's locked into top 6 minutes.

He's close, but not quite there yet.

 

[norrisnick]

He is being used as a locker room type guy i guess. But at the same time, danielson as outperformed him significantly and has much more upside.

This is where I love that we don't do the "tie goes to the vet" type thing because I never understood that argument. If there is a tie between a rookie and a vet, then the rookie should get the nod because the vet has had how long in the league and can't outperform the rook? Please.

Oh sweet summer child...

 

[Rolo Tomassi]

He's "significantly outperformed" more than one or two vets. But I don't think you can keep him up unless he's locked into top 6 minutes.

He's close, but not quite there yet.

I am on the fence about it. He is definitely good enough to be in the lineup. Would playing as the star in all situations at a lower level better suit him to transition into a (hopefully) similar role at the NHL level, or would toiling in the bottom 6 against stiffer competition? Both arguments have merit. Glad I dont have to choose.

I will say that, if he doesnt make the team, the team constantly saying that the best players will play, is a lot of hot air. My guess is he is going to WHL just based on the depth of the NHl roster and his waiver exempt status.