PGT: 9/20 - Canada vs USA - Canada 4 United States 2 FINAL - USA ELIMINATED

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

One can only at the notion that lack of character was Team USA's undoing.

THe issue was lack of talent. Period.

I somewhat disagree. In order of priority i think it was lack of talent, lack of coaching, but there was also a lack of character or compete for what was an elimination game.

I also think it's funny how jingoistic some Canadian fans get over this. Canada having a ridiculously talented team is a surprise to no one, so you can settle down. Your inferiority complex is showing.

 

[Smash88]

I somewhat disagree. In order of priority i think it was lack of talent, lack of coaching, but there was also a lack of character or compete for what was an elimination game.

I also think it's funny how jingoistic some Canadian fans get over this. Canada having a ridiculously talented team is a surprise to no one, so you can settle down. Your inferiority complex is showing.

FFS, We have to listen to Americans constantly gloat they are the best in every other sport.

Let Canada have its moment.

 

[CaptainChef]

Maybe where their Young Guns are concerned they're almost neck and neck with us Canucks...but let's not go too far...Canada still has twice as many NHLers as Yanks...and the first and ONLY Yank to win an NHL scoring title was P. Kane

Yes, I'll concede that there is a gap at the senior level, but there isn't a gap right now (or its very very slight at the juniors). Still the USA plays politics and leaves guys like Connor, etc. home at the junior tournaments, so until they screw their heads on right, we can still beat them at that level.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

FFS, We have to listen to Americans constantly gloat they are the best in every other sport.

Let Canada have it's moment.

Ok, point taken.

I guess being on the outside, it just feels like fans of the 2002 Red Wings repeatedly pointing out how much better their team is than an AHL team.

Can we all at least agree on how awful Tortorella is?

 

[Scotty B]

Originally Posted by Lazlo Hollyfeld
I somewhat disagree. In order of priority i think it was lack of talent, lack of coaching, but there was also a lack of character or compete for what was an elimination game.

I also think it's funny how jingoistic some Canadian fans get over this. Canada having a ridiculously talented team is a surprise to no one, so you can settle down. Your inferiority complex is showing.

Tut tut...it's not like Yanks never rub it in when the tables ( albeit a rate event ) are turned...

They ( albeit a vocal minority ) be like : Hey we beat ur sorry ass at the only sport ur good at...and we don't even care that much about hockey

U-S-A U-S-A U-S-A...ad nauseam

 

[Kelly]

Oh man, that Kessel tweet is awesome. Hahahaha.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Check out this ESPN article. http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/17599838/nhl-world-cup-hockey-team-usa-completely-blew-golden-opportunity

To me the blame is on the management team that decided on Grit/Toughness over speed and skill. Burke and Lombardi. They came up with the approach and hired Torts because of it. It continued down hill from there. Losing to Europe was their undoing and that is on the players imo. They didn't show up to play their best.

Two more things.

1. It's time..... SHUT UP and play

2. We built our team to beat Team Canada ..... SHUT up and play

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Tut tut...it's not like Yanks never rub it in when the tables ( albeit a rate event ) are turned...

They ( albeit a vocal minority ) be like : Hey we beat ur sorry ass at the only sport ur good at...and we don't even care that much about hockey

U-S-A U-S-A U-S-A...ad nauseam

Aren't you guys good at curling too?

I think some of the nationalism stuck out to me a bit because I think of this more of a made up NHL tournament than something like the Olympics.

 

[al secord]

Torts won't get hired back. The problem is, Ron Wilson is next in line.

 

[Scotty B]

Check out this ESPN article. http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/17599838/nhl-world-cup-hockey-team-usa-completely-blew-golden-opportunity

To me the blame is on the management team that decided on Grit/Toughness over speed and skill. Burke and Lombardi. They came up with the approach and hired Torts because of it. It continued down hill from there. Losing to Europe was their undoing and that is on the players imo. They didn't show up to play their best.

Yeah they really laid an egg in that first period vs Euros especially...and no matter what anyone says to the contrary that wasn't on Quick ... seriously, giving up six odd man rushes including a 2-0 breakaway in one period no less...What in Jove's name was that? And from their so-called A Team, no less...

That's on the other players + coaching staff...they looked so-ooo listless, so unprepared...although Euro game plan shoulda been foreseeable...Plus they seemed to make no, in game, tactical adjustments...

Aside from a few moments on the pp, Yanks never seriously threatened in that game...

So the management group gets called into question here too

 

[Neutral Hockey Fan]

Aren't you guys good at curling too?

I think some of the nationalism stuck out to me a bit because I think of this more of a made up NHL tournament than something like the Olympics.

Good at lacrosse too

 

[Scotty B]

Torts won't get hired back. The problem is, Ron Wilson is next in line.

Remember when TSN guy interviewed Wilson, just prior to a World Jr game, and he admitted ( paraphrasing ), that he knew next to nothing about the Euro team his charges would be playing ???

Poor prep=Bad coaching

 

[Kranix]

Now that Joe McDonald guy is making excuses for Torts because he didn't have Eichel and Matthews.

 

[Dbrownss]

Yankees are simply not good at hockey. They don't have the hockey culture like Canada, Finland, Sweden and Russia. They try hard but they can't.

That's a pretty bold statement. America is behind the curve on producing high end youth, but that is changing. As time goes by, more cities and teams invest in American youth hockey, that culture will become strong in America. If our best in the world talent that plays football and basketball start to play hockey. Smug opinions like yours will be a coping mechanism.


As for this team, they deserved to get embarrassed. Horribly constructed and piss poor moral.

 

[AvsGuy]

I've read and read and read about Corsi, and I still see a chart like this and I don't know exactly what it indicates. What are this numbers pointing out?

 

[Rebels57]

That's a pretty bold statement. America is behind the curve on producing high end youth, but that is changing. As time goes by, more cities and teams invest in American youth hockey, that culture will become strong in America. Our best in the world talent that plays football, basketball might start to play hockey. Smug opinions like yours will be a coping mechanism.


As for this team, they deserved to get embarrassed. Horribly constructed and piss poor moral.

This. Canada's production of hockey talent has been remarkable of course, but if the vast majority of the best athletes in America played Hockey, they'd dominate every international tournament until the end of time. American athletes are spread out among the 4 major sports and beyond..

 

[Scotty B]

This. Canada's production of hockey talent has been remarkable of course, but if the vast majority of the best athletes in America played Hockey, they'd dominate every international tournament until the end of time. American athletes are spread out among the 4 major sports and beyond..

Yeah Yeah...ten times the population too..some real hockey hotbeds in NE ( where they have luxury of hothousing guys which Canada can never do cause our players are sooo spread out N/S E/W...plus roughly on par, with us, in terms of the number of youth playing hockey stateside...

I'd say it's become a pretty level playing field already...+ more money for coaching...

Did u know that the coach of our Women's OG Hockey team in 1998 took a year long leave of absence from her day job ( she was a cop )to coach TC...and never got a dime from Hockey Canada ( over and above her expenses )?

Even US High school coaches earn a decent living...on that score Canada cannot compete...although we still have really good coaches

 

[DyerMaker66*]

Good at lacrosse too

I wish TSN would air Rock games consistently.

 

[Rebuilt]

FFS, We have to listen to Americans constantly gloat they are the best in every other sport.

Let Canada have it's moment.

This is what I have always said. I am an American raised in Canada. I know both cultures fairly well in that regard.

Americans feed the NFL, NBA and MLB its athletes long before the NHL but on the other hand we should have the population to handle it , but the Canadians are just too strong.

 

[AvsGuy]

This is what I have always said. I am an American raised in Canada. I know both cultures fairly well in that regard.

Americans feed the NFL, NBA and MLB its athletes long before the NHL but on the other hand we should have the population to handle it , but the Canadians are just too strong.

For some reason I think it has more to do with focus than talent, the US has had a very talented roster at every international meeting with Canada since 2002, but the determination isn't there. I think national pride factors in too - if the US wins in hockey, most of the nation will just flip back to monday night football or NASCAR.

Canada bears the weight of a nation's expectations and so they play like it.

 

[AD1066]

Tut, tut...let us count all the NHL scoring titles won by Yanks in NHL history...

ONE....ah...

NEVER MIND

Did you read the post I was replying to?

It's silly to assume that Americans aren't good at hockey or never will be due to "culture".

An American just won the Art Ross for the firs time.
A kid raised in the desert was just drafted 1st OA.
Players like Jones, Gostisbehere, Demko are coming out of non-traditional markets.
HS hockey is growing rapidly in California.

There's an undeniable talent gap at the moment, and that's not something that's going to change in 4 or 8 years. But a country with 300M+ people doesn't need the passionate culture of Canada or Finland to produce talented players. Besides plenty of northern states are passionate about the game.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I would rather the US have been eliminated in the 3rd game of the finals in OT. Its a let down they are gone so soon.

 

[Dbrownss]

Did you read the post I was replying to?

It's silly to assume that Americans aren't good at hockey or never will be due to "culture".

An American just won the Art Ross for the firs time.
A kid raised in the desert was just drafted 1st OA.
Players like Jones, Gostisbehere, Demko are coming out of non-traditional markets.
HS hockey is growing rapidly in California.

There's an undeniable talent gap at the moment, and that's not something that's going to change in 4 or 8 years. But a country with 300M+ people doesn't need the passionate culture of Canada or Finland to produce talented players. Besides plenty of northern states are passionate about the game.

Looks at how many 1st round picks St. Louis just produced. The city of St. Louis and the Blues are making a big effort to recognize and develop local talent. They started a similar program to the Canadian one where anybody can play hockey regardless of income level. That's been a major hold back to the sport in the US. It's expensive and a good majority of Americans don't have the disposable income to spend on youth hockey. It's a much easier choice in baseball, football, and soccer which are fairly cheap and have a glut of youth programs that help lower income families.

 

[PullHard]

For some reason I think it has more to do with focus than talent, the US has had a very talented roster at every international meeting with Canada since 2002, but the determination isn't there. I think national pride factors in too - if the US wins in hockey, most of the nation will just flip back to monday night football or NASCAR.

Canada bears the weight of a nation's expectations and so they play like it.

Are you suggesting that because some (admittedly, a lot) of American citizens prefer other sports, the players on their national teams don't give 100% effort? That sounds ... like a reach to put it mildly.

 

[MoonDragn]

More Char + Grit means more penalties. Yet they did not build a group that was good at killing penalties.

Guys like Andy Greene should have been on the team for pk situation.

Team Europe had a field day with them playing a tight defensive system.