#87 Sidney Crosby Milestone Thread - History will be made (1600 points)
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orby
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I think he would have had a shot. Sid was scoring at something like a 1.5 point per game pace from 2010 to 2013, and if he had kept up a pace close to that over three full seasons, he'd probably already have over 1600 career points at age 35. While it goes without saying that amassing 400 points between age 35 and retirement is far from a guarantee, I think Sid could have at least made it within striking distance.
This is true for everyone in the league, but the lockout and COVID-shortened seasons took a lot of games from him, too.
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Dessloch
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Pittsburgh Penguins forward Sidney Crosby has tied Bryan Trottier for 17th on the all time points list with 1425!
15. Stan Mikita - 1467
16. Teemu Selanne - 1457
17. Sidney Crosby - 1425
18. Bryan Trottier - 1425
15. Stan Mikita - 1467
16. Teemu Selanne - 1457
17. Sidney Crosby - 1425
18. Bryan Trottier - 1425
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I posted this recently in another thread. Crosby has a chance to become the all-time leader in both assists and points for a single franchise.
The all-time record for most assists for a single franchise is held by Ray Bourque (1,111 assists for the Bruins). Crosby is currently at 902 assists. He's 210 assists away from setting the all-time record. Crosby has been averaging a bit under 0.74 assists per game from 2020-today. Assuming no injuries and no missed games, Crosby can get there in less than four years (ie achieve it during the 2026-27 season). Of course, given his age, Crosby's offensive production is likely to slow down, and we don't even know if he'll continue playing past his contract. But there's a chance he sets this significant record in a few more years.
Similarly, the all-time record for most points for a single franchise is held by Gordie Howe (1,809 points for the Red Wings). Crosby is currently at 1,425 points - so he's 385 points away from the record. He's averaged around 1.17 PPG since 2020. That puts him almost exactly four seasons away from setting the record (again, assuming no missed games and no slowdowns). Realistically, of course, Crosby's production will decrease as he ages, and he'll miss some games - but maybe he can get there during the 2027-28 season.
To be clear, both of these should be considered unlikely - but not impossible.
The all-time record for most assists for a single franchise is held by Ray Bourque (1,111 assists for the Bruins). Crosby is currently at 902 assists. He's 210 assists away from setting the all-time record. Crosby has been averaging a bit under 0.74 assists per game from 2020-today. Assuming no injuries and no missed games, Crosby can get there in less than four years (ie achieve it during the 2026-27 season). Of course, given his age, Crosby's offensive production is likely to slow down, and we don't even know if he'll continue playing past his contract. But there's a chance he sets this significant record in a few more years.
Similarly, the all-time record for most points for a single franchise is held by Gordie Howe (1,809 points for the Red Wings). Crosby is currently at 1,425 points - so he's 385 points away from the record. He's averaged around 1.17 PPG since 2020. That puts him almost exactly four seasons away from setting the record (again, assuming no missed games and no slowdowns). Realistically, of course, Crosby's production will decrease as he ages, and he'll miss some games - but maybe he can get there during the 2027-28 season.
To be clear, both of these should be considered unlikely - but not impossible.
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Crosby currently ranks 11th all-time in playoff goals for a single franchise, 3rd in assists, and 4th in points. (He's one of only four players in history - and the first non-Oiler - to record 200 playoff points with a single franchise).
Crosby is just six assists away from having more assists (in the playoffs, for a single franchise) than any player in NHL history except for Wayne Gretzky. He's also 15 points away from doing the same thing for points.
Most goals for a single franchise - playoffs
Most assists for a single franchise - playoffs
Most points for a single franchise - playoffs
Crosby is just six assists away from having more assists (in the playoffs, for a single franchise) than any player in NHL history except for Wayne Gretzky. He's also 15 points away from doing the same thing for points.
Most goals for a single franchise - playoffs
| 1 | Jari Kurri | 92 | Oilers |
| 2 | Mike Bossy | 85 | Islanders |
| 3 | Joe Sakic | 84 | Avalanche |
| 4 | Maurice Richard | 82 | Canadiens |
| T-5 | Glen Anderson | 81 | Oilers |
| T-5 | Wayne Gretzky | 81 | Oilers |
| 7 | Mark Messier | 80 | Oilers |
| 8 | Jean Beliveau | 79 | Canadiens |
| 9 | Mario Lemieux | 76 | Penguins |
| 10 | Alex Ovechkin | 72+ | Capitals |
| 11 | Sidney Crosby | 71+ | Penguins |
| 12 | Steve Yzerman | 70 | Red Wings |
Most assists for a single franchise - playoffs
| 1 | Wayne Gretzky | 171 | Oilers |
| 2 | Mark Messier | 135 | Oilers |
| 3 | Sidney Crosby | 130+ | Penguins |
| 4 | Nicklas Lidstrom | 129 | Red Wings |
| 5 | Ray Bourque | 125 | Bruins |
| 6 | Steve Yzerman | 115 | Red Wings |
| T-7 | Evgeni Malkin | 113+ | Penguins |
| T-7 | Sergei Fedorov | 113 | Red Wings |
| 9 | Jari Kurri | 110 | Oilers |
| 10 | Larry Robinson | 109 | Canadiens |
| 11 | Denis Potvin | 108 | Islanders |
| 12 | Bryan Trottier | 105 | Islanders |
| 13 | Joe Sakic | 104 | Avalanche |
| T-14 | Glen Anderson | 102 | Oilers |
| T-14 | Nikita Kucherov | 102+ | Lightning |
| 16 | Peter Forsberg | 101 | Avalanche |
| 17 | Ron Francis | 100 | Penguins |
Most points for a single franchise - playoffs
| 1 | Wayne Gretzky | 252 | Oilers |
| 2 | Mark Messier | 215 | Oilers |
| 3 | Jari Kurri | 202 | Oilers |
| 4 | Sidney Crosby | 201+ | Penguins |
| 5 | Joe Sakic | 188 | Avalanche |
| 6 | Steve Yzerman | 185 | Red Wings |
| T-7 | Nicklas Lidstrom | 183 | Red Wings |
| T-7 | Glenn Anderson | 183 | Oilers |
| 9 | Evgeni Malkin | 180+ | Penguins |
| 10 | Jean Beliveau | 176 | Canadiens |
| 11 | Mario Lemieux | 172 | Penguins |
| 12 | Bryan Trottier | 168 | Islanders |
| 13 | Denis Potvin | 165 | Islanders |
| 14 | Sergei Fedorov | 163 | Red Wings |
| 15 | Ray Bourque | 161 | Bruins |
| 16 | Mike Bossy | 160 | Islanders |
| 17 | Peter Forsberg | 159 | Avalanche |
| 18 | Gordie Howe | 158 | Red Wings |
| 19 | Nikita Kucherov | 154+ | Lightning |
| 20 | Stan Mikita | 150 | Blackhawks |
orby
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As Sid ages and the Pens get worse, it's going to be harder and harder for him to inch much further up these postseason scoring lists. Pittsburgh very well might miss the playoffs this season, and who knows if they'll be back before Sid hangs 'em up? We'll just have to wait and see.
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Voight
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Gretz doing it in 200 games less than Lemieux is just another example of his greatness.
Nearly did it in half as many games as Coffey in 3rd.
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They will get it together at some point this season and make the playoffs. Don't expect them to do much once there though. As it is the Pens underlying numbers are better than their results to this point.
orby
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I tend to agree, at least for this season. Beyond that, I don't feel comfortable prognosticating. For years, the conventional thinking has been "Sid, Geno, and Letang are all good enough that they can drag an otherwise mediocre team to the postseason." As they age into their late 30's, that scenario becomes less and less likely - especially with a pretty empty prospect pool and most of the supporting players being around 30 or older as well.
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Its kinda crazy that he's too deep runs away from the breating Wayne in all of these metrics. I know its single franchise but Wayne still would be the goat had he retired after his trade to LA.
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I am basing it mostly on the fact that the Pens are right now 9th in expected goals. That is a playoff team. They have been unlucky so far.
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Yeah, he and the whole team looked great last post-season before Trouba happened. Shame, could've hit those milestones last year easily.
andrjusha
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OV fanboy coming in peace 
Congrats on 4 point night Sidney fanboys!
As you know they are close in career points with Crosby playing significantly fewer games and OV points having significantly higher goals ratio. That topic is beaten to death.
Here is breakdown (stathead.com) by number of games to accumulate those points by bunches
(since both did it yesterday).
Games where those two monsters had points (points >= 1, above link)
Ov 866
Cr 797
Had multiple points (points >= 2)
Ov 400
Cr 426
Had 1 point
Ov 466
Cr 371
Had 2 points
Ov 274
Cr 263
Had 3 points (Ov added to the count yesterday)
Ov 95
Cr 127
Had 4 points (Crosby added to the count yesterday)
Ov 27
Cr 30
Had 5 points
Ov 4
Cr 4
Had 6 points
Ov 0
Cr 2
Interpret as you wish, each fanbase will argue its own way as usual
Congrats on 4 point night Sidney fanboys!
As you know they are close in career points with Crosby playing significantly fewer games and OV points having significantly higher goals ratio. That topic is beaten to death.
Here is breakdown (stathead.com) by number of games to accumulate those points by bunches
(since both did it yesterday).
Games where those two monsters had points (points >= 1, above link)
Ov 866
Cr 797
Had multiple points (points >= 2)
Ov 400
Cr 426
Had 1 point
Ov 466
Cr 371
Had 2 points
Ov 274
Cr 263
Had 3 points (Ov added to the count yesterday)
Ov 95
Cr 127
Had 4 points (Crosby added to the count yesterday)
Ov 27
Cr 30
Had 5 points
Ov 4
Cr 4
Had 6 points
Ov 0
Cr 2
Interpret as you wish, each fanbase will argue its own way as usual
OV fanboy coming in peace
Congrats on 4 point night Sidney fanboys!
As you know they are close in career points with Crosby playing significantly fewer games and OV points having significantly higher goals ratio. That topic is beaten to death.
Here is breakdown (stathead.com) by number of games to accumulate those points by bunches
(since both did it yesterday).
Games where those two monsters had points (points >= 1, above link)
Ov 866
Cr 797
Had multiple points (points >= 2)
Ov 400
Cr 426
Had 1 point
Ov 466
Cr 371
Had 2 points
Ov 274
Cr 263
Had 3 points (Ov added to the count yesterday)
Ov 95
Cr 127
Had 4 points (Crosby added to the count yesterday)
Ov 27
Cr 30
Had 5 points
Ov 4
Cr 4
Had 6 points
Ov 0
Cr 2
Interpret as you wish, each fanbase will argue its own way as usual
Dessloch
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I'm not sure what you are supposed to do with those stats or interpret...was this meant to show that someone could argue OV is more of a consistent point producer because he's scored points in more games than Crosby and Crosby has more points because he scores in bunches sometimes? These stats are useless to demonstrate that as it's missing games played (e.g. if player A has scored points in 65 games and player B has scored points in 22 games......if player A has played 80 games and player B has played 23 games.......).OV fanboy coming in peace
Congrats on 4 point night Sidney fanboys!
As you know they are close in career points with Crosby playing significantly fewer games and OV points having significantly higher goals ratio. That topic is beaten to death.
Here is breakdown (stathead.com) by number of games to accumulate those points by bunches
(since both did it yesterday).
Games where those two monsters had points (points >= 1, above link)
Ov 866
Cr 797
Had multiple points (points >= 2)
Ov 400
Cr 426
Had 1 point
Ov 466
Cr 371
Had 2 points
Ov 274
Cr 263
Had 3 points (Ov added to the count yesterday)
Ov 95
Cr 127
Had 4 points (Crosby added to the count yesterday)
Ov 27
Cr 30
Had 5 points
Ov 4
Cr 4
Had 6 points
Ov 0
Cr 2
Interpret as you wish, each fanbase will argue its own way as usual
The main one shows that Crosby has scored at least 1 point in 71% of his games played and Ovechkin has scored at least 1 point in 67% of his games played. For 2pts, Crosby is 23% and OV is 20%. For 1 point, Crosby is 33% and OV is 36%......but.....what are these stats supposed to mean? SUPER extreme example....let's say Crosby scores 2 points in every single game of his career, no more, no less and OV scores 1 point in every single game of his career, no more, no less. In games scoring 1 point, Crosby would have 0 and Ovechkin would have 1,294.....what is that supposed to show? OV would have 1,294pts and Crosby would have 2,254pts.
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The additional context needed to make any of those stats worthwhile...makes them, in fact, useless.OV fanboy coming in peace
Congrats on 4 point night Sidney fanboys!
As you know they are close in career points with Crosby playing significantly fewer games and OV points having significantly higher goals ratio. That topic is beaten to death.
Here is breakdown (stathead.com) by number of games to accumulate those points by bunches
(since both did it yesterday).
Games where those two monsters had points (points >= 1, above link)
Ov 866
Cr 797
Had multiple points (points >= 2)
Ov 400
Cr 426
Had 1 point
Ov 466
Cr 371
Had 2 points
Ov 274
Cr 263
Had 3 points (Ov added to the count yesterday)
Ov 95
Cr 127
Had 4 points (Crosby added to the count yesterday)
Ov 27
Cr 30
Had 5 points
Ov 4
Cr 4
Had 6 points
Ov 0
Cr 2
Interpret as you wish, each fanbase will argue its own way as usual
Nathaniel Skywalker
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Only stat that matters is sid has more points while playing in 170 less gp
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