GDT: #71 | Blue Jackets at FLYERS | Thu., Mar. 15, 2018, 7:00 pm ET | NBCSP, FS-O

[CSKA1974]

were was ghosts D partner on that play ?

i bet it was Manning and he was off in no mans land as usual

It was 3 on 3 OT, so Manning was on the bench

 

[CSKA1974]

Where does G rank in the list of Flyers all-time?

Very high for me. Top 5, but my Flyers history is limited.
BTW, he is now the longest tenured athlete in Philly after Celek's release.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Very high for me. Top 5, but my Flyers history is limited.
BTW, he is now the longest tenured athlete in Philly after Celek's release.

I think ranking him at this point is very, very difficult. I love the guy completely, so this is in no way trying to say anything against him. I just think to really give him an accurate all-time ranking, we need to wait until this process gets a little further along and we have some more playoff series under our belts. I think he's going to prove that he's worth the high ranking you gave him, but I think we have to wait before we say so for sure.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

Sat all my goalies for the rest of the week (because of my stats compared to his) in fantasy. That includes Bob. Have at 'em Flyers! Oh, and Provy and Gudas, please get as many hits and blocks as possible .

 

[JXC]

One would have to stretch to name five Flyer forwards who had better Flyers careers than Giroux.

Clarke and Lindros are the only clear ones to me.

Propp and Barber are over 300 points ahead of Giroux but I don’t know, different players, different eras.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

And Giroux has a ton of years left in him to pass Propp and Barber.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Put us out of our misery tonight, please.

 

[MiamiScreamingEagles]

Where does G rank in the list of Flyers all-time?

I think ranking him at this point is very, very difficult. I love the guy completely, so this is in no way trying to say anything against him. I just think to really give him an accurate all-time ranking, we need to wait until this process gets a little further along and we have some more playoff series under our belts. I think he's going to prove that he's worth the high ranking you gave him, but I think we have to wait before we say so for sure.

I don't promote such lists because there are not only tangibles but intangibles to weigh. Oftentimes, someone will ask who was the second best captain behind Bobby Clarke. Instantaneously, the response should be Dave Poulin as it would be for me today. That doesn't mean he was the second best player who happened to be a captain (Eric Lindros and Bill Barber were better players, to name two) but what Poulin did during his tenure was instrumental especially as the Mike Eruzione to Herb Brooks analogy with Mike Keenan. Many others wouldn't have been able to perform that role and his erudite nature and calm mannerisms are touted but perhaps incomparable in team annals.

Where does Giroux rank? For those who don't remember Rick MacLeish -- and I say this with some bias but with enough knowledge -- his absence in 1976 and that of a healthy Bernie Parent probably cost the Flyers a Cup in 1976. MacLeish was that good and his ability to amp his game in the playoffs was almost without equal in team history. I mention him as a center on a line with Ross Lonsberry and Gary Dornhoefer, two players who wouldn't necessarily be ranked among the top dozen or so forwards but were important cogs to MacLeish's on ice success and perhaps more so his well-documented off-ice woes. Dornhoefer, especially, helped stabilized him. Putting together an all time list and adding wingers to MacLeish wouldn't be ideal and that is where the intangibles are key.

The game was vastly different today as it was in the early 90s as it was in the early 70s. Skill, strength, rules changes all are factors. Conditioning is much superior today and with that today's players have advantages. But the rough house nature of the sport preceded the pre-Flyers existence in 1967 when it wasn't Tiddlywinks.

How do we rank goalies and defensemen in the same listing as forwards. Bobby Clarke and Bernie Parent are 1-2 on my list in terms of performance, importance and success. Instead of ranking, I think we should appreciate Giroux's abilities. He isn't perfect but nor was someone such as MacLeish who should be lauded eternally. I know that doesn't give a proper answer in terms of a list but 45 years of watching a sport can determine such viewpoints.

 

[hatcher]

I think ranking him at this point is very, very difficult. I love the guy completely, so this is in no way trying to say anything against him. I just think to really give him an accurate all-time ranking, we need to wait until this process gets a little further along and we have some more playoff series under our belts. I think he's going to prove that he's worth the high ranking you gave him, but I think we have to wait before we say so for sure.

Right on the money.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Claude Giroux is Top Five, no doubt in my mind.

As time goes by people will realize just how good he has been and is likely to continue to be.

He's a case of Philadelphia not knowing how good we have it with our stars and wanting to run them out of towns at points.

And yes, I realize how many good players the Flyers have had.

 

[Rebels57]

Claude Giroux is Top Five, no doubt in my mind.

As time goes by people will realize just how good he has been and is likely to continue to be.

He's a case of Philadelphia not knowing how good we have it with our stars and wanting to run them out of towns at points.

And yes, I realize how many good players the Flyers have had.

It comes down to lack of playoff success in his prime. That's the only reason Giroux isn't lauded as much as he should be.

His prime started in 2012 and he hasn't won a playoff series since 2012. That's not his fault but it's the reason he isn't as big of a deal either in Philadelphia (outside of diehards of course) or nationally.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

It comes down to lack of playoff success in his prime. That's the only reason Giroux isn't lauded as much as he should be.

His prime started in 2012 and he hasn't won a playoff series since 2012. That's not his fault but it's the reason he isn't as big of a deal either in Philadelphia (outside of diehards of course) or nationally.

But that's a team thing.

People need to separate team accomplishments and personal accomplishments. The fact that think Jonathan Toews is a all-time great player is a perfect example.

I'm not arguing with you when I write this response, just so you know haha.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

But that's a team thing.

People need to separate team accomplishments and personal accomplishments. The fact that think Jonathan Toews is a all-time great player is a perfect example.

I'm not arguing with you when I write this response, just so you know haha.

Oh, also...

 

[Rebels57]

But that's a team thing.

People need to separate team accomplishments and personal accomplishments. The fact that think Jonathan Toews is a all-time great player is a perfect example.

I'm not arguing with you when I write this response, just so you know haha.

Playoff success is what really elevates athletes. Girouxs peak in popularity both locally and nationally was after the 2012 Playoffs. Hell, he won a NATIONAL vote to be on the cover of EA Sports NHL 13. Had the team experienced more playoff success since, his reputation would be even more pronounced.

Let's hope he starts to have some playoff success soon.

Will have to wait until next season though thanks to Hak.

 

[FlyTimmo]

One would have to stretch to name five Flyer forwards who had better Flyers careers than Giroux.

Clarke and Lindros are the only clear ones to me.

Propp and Barber are over 300 points ahead of Giroux but I don’t know, different players, different eras.

Even Lindros can be passed by Giroux and all it would take would be one cup during his tenure.

 

[Starat327]

How can you not love him? HOW!?

Becaue he doesnt fight enough, obvi.

That sequence has to be one of the greatest ive ever seen. Giroux was all in on that play.

 

[Starat327]

were was ghosts D partner on that play ?

i bet it was Manning and he was off in no mans land as usual

If memory serves, this was in OT, and 3v3

Edit: was beaten to it.

 

[Starat327]

Claude Giroux is Top Five, no doubt in my mind.

As time goes by people will realize just how good he has been and is likely to continue to be.

He's a case of Philadelphia not knowing how good we have it with our stars and wanting to run them out of towns at points.

And yes, I realize how many good players the Flyers have had.

I think the other part of it is that he's playing at a time when there are an abundance of 'generational' level talents(Crosby,Malkin, twilight of Lidstrom's career, etc) that were playing while he was, and within close proximity as well. I think a lot of people dont quite get the recognition they deserve becaue of that (Tavares is another good example).

 

[mize370]

My top 5 would probably be
Clarke
Parent
Lindros
MacLeish
Snider

HM to Kerr, Leclair, Propp, Jim Watson, Howe, Gagne

 

[Jtown]

Barber is one of the most overrated players in history. Im surprised he is in the hall.

 

[BringBackHakstol]

Giroux is definitely in the Lindros, Propp, MacLeish tier right now. By career end he should be #2 or #3 on the forwards list. If he can win a cup, that would make that a slam dunk IMO

 

[SnS]

I don’t care how it’s done. JUST WIN.

 

[FlyTimmo]

As long as Giroux doesn't fall off a cliff and remains on the Flyers for the next 6-8 years he will be #2.

 

[CSKA1974]

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My top 5 would probably be
Clarke
Parent
Lindros
MacLeish
Snider

HM to Kerr, Leclair, Propp, Jim Watson, Howe, Gagne

I joined Flyers nation in mid 90s. Was CSKA and "Sokol" Kiev fan before that, hence, Miracle on ice and Flyers beating (literally) CSKA were not happy times for me

I revere Clarke, Parent, Macleish, but I had never had an opportunity to root for them.

So with my Flyers history Roo is easily top 5 in my ranking

On the side note, I had a chance to meet and talk to B. Manning yesterday. He might not be a top level D on an NHL team, but he is definitely a nice, down to earth human being with a charitable heart. I am really thankful to him for his work with Temple hospital.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

As long as Giroux doesn't fall off a cliff and remains on the Flyers for the next 6-8 years he will be #2.

I mean, you're talking about him replacing Clarke or Parent. That's an extremely uphill climb from here. I hope he makes it, because he will leave glory in his wake up that hill.