Prospect Info: 6th IceHogs, Fuel, & NCAA/Junior/Int'l Prospects Thread

[Hawkscap]

Pretty odd to sign an AHL deal with collegiate eligibility remaining

Here is your answer


http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bla...l-early-to-pursue-opportunity-with-blackhawks

 

[Teemu]

Theoretically he's a UFA though, now, right? I know there's a gentleman's agreement not to poach players on AHL deals, but still.

As I mentioned in the prospect camp thread, he was by far the best d-man there.

 

[MileHighHawksFan]

Theoretically he's a UFA though, now, right? I know there's a gentleman's agreement not to poach players on AHL deals, but still.

As I mentioned in the prospect camp thread, he was by far the best d-man there.

I would guess if that situation happened, we'd do our best to match what was ever offered, hopefully we have enough space to try and sign him to a cheap rookie deal. It's not like he has to immediately take the offer, not that he couldn't but it could be in his interest to see if the hawks could match or outbid whoever was seeking his services

Destination matters. Carolinas d is thin as ever so maybe they'd be after him but I'm sure they're less desirable. Pens might be a team to worry about but I really don't think it'll be an issue either way. Our d has never had more opportunity, one would think it would be easier for dmen to get looks than in years past.

Plus its always possible he kills it in camp and upgrades to an NHL contract, not gunna bank on it but its a possibility

***FWIW I believe Shaw was originally on an ahl contract. Does anyone know of any other current/recent hawks that took that path?

 

[Mickey the mouse]

I would guess if that situation happened, we'd do our best to match what was ever offered, hopefully we have enough space to try and sign him to a cheap rookie deal. It's not like he has to immediately take the offer, not that he couldn't but it could be in his interest to see if the hawks could match or outbid whoever was seeking his services

Destination matters. Carolinas d is thin as ever so maybe they'd be after him but I'm sure they're less desirable. Pens might be a team to worry about but I really don't think it'll be an issue either way. Our d has never had more opportunity, one would think it would be easier for dmen to get looks than in years past.

Plus its always possible he kills it in camp and upgrades to an NHL contract, not gunna bank on it but its a possibility

***FWIW I believe Shaw was originally on an ahl contract. Does anyone know of any other current/recent hawks that took that path?

You need to look at Carolina's D a little more closely.

Hanafin, Fluery, Slavin, Pesce are much better players / prospects than Jardine. Also, Lowe and McKeowin

 

[MileHighHawksFan]

Hanafin yes. Fluery most likely. Slavin and Pesce I feel like are a wash with Jardine at best. They have some nice pieces and D was not their big issue last season but its not like their D is locked down, most of those players are completely unproven at the NHL/ Pro level, I still see holes on that blue line.

Sorry if it came across as "the hurricanes/pens want/need this guy" was more so just trying to provide examples of teams that COULD be interested. My main focus was one team being a potentially more attractive destination than the other.

 

[UsernameWasTaken]

For those with ESPN Insider, Pronman ranked teams by prospect strength.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nhl/insi.../nhl-ranking-every-nhl-team-prospect-strength

The Hawks were 16th

16. Chicago Blackhawks

Previous ranking: 14

The Chicago system remains very deep, and though they graduated a big name in Teuvo Teravainen, the signing of Artemi Panarin nearly brought the same amount of talent into the organization. I have not loved the Blackhawks' recent draft classes, but their current farm team has a lot of talent, and there are numerous prospects who can step in and play soon, if not right away.

 

[kmwtrucks]

My general feeling is the last 2 drafts have been AVG to below AVG. Seemed like we were constantly taking guys a 1/2 round earlier then they would have gone.

 

[CourtneyDagger50]

Can I just say that I can see into the future? I mentioned Brandon Hope a few months ago, and now he is being looked at by the Hawks. Bless me

 

[Bubba88]

Hope isn't an unknown
I don't think he makes it to the NHL, but I Kind of like him too

 

[UsernameWasTaken]

ESPN has its top 100 prospects list out

http://espn.go.com/nhl/insider/stor...david-jack-eichel-lead-list-top-100-prospects

34. Artemi Panarin, LW, Chicago Blackhawks
Age: 23 | Ht: 5-11 | Wt: 170 | 2014-15 team: SKA St. Petersburg (KHL)
Previous ranking: Not eligible

Panarin had an exceptional season, ranking 5th fifth in scoring in the KHL, and had a great World Championship, leading to a contract with Chicago. Sometimes free agents in their mid-20s can be undeservedly hyped, but Panarin is the real deal. He's very quick and agile, great with the puck and sees the ice at a high level. He's is small, and not great in his own end, but scouts note he's got a little edge to his game and can finish in tight spaces. He could slot into an NHL top 9 right away and maybe even a top 6.

...

61. Ryan Hartman, RW, Chicago Blackhawks
Age: 20 | Ht: 5-11 | Wt: 190 | 2014-15 team: Rockford (AHL)
Previous ranking: 66

Hartman was quite impressive as a first-year pro, and hit his stride in the second half with 25 points in 34 AHL games after the turn of the calendar. I don't think Hartman is going to wow you with his skill, and he's not exceptionally quick, but he certainly can create chances and finish. He's also pretty good defensively and very involved in the physical portions of the game. Hartman earned a brief call-up this past season and it's not inconceivable to think he could push for a lengthier stay in the NHL in 2015-16.

...

64. Ville Pokka, D, Chicago Blackhawks
Age: 21 | Ht: 6-0 | Wt: 196 | 2014-15 team: Rockford (AHL)
Previous ranking: 41

Pokka was part of the Nick Leddy trade with the Islanders. He was quite good in his first AHL season, playing in all situations effectively. Pokka is a very intelligent defenseman who moves the puck very well and understands how to position himself defensively pretty well. The physical nature of the North American pro game was an adjustment for him this past season, especially given he's not the quickest guy. I think he's close to being NHL ready, and given the moves Chicago made this summer, the opportunity is there for him to seize

...

Honourable mention: Gustav Forsling, D, Chicago Blackhawks

 

[DPHawk]

ESPN has its top 100 prospects list out

http://espn.go.com/nhl/insider/stor...david-jack-eichel-lead-list-top-100-prospects

Did Johns make the list?

 

[Taze em]

Johns is nowhere on the list. Pronman tends to focus on younger players tho which is also why Panarin is so low.. Interestingly, Pokka is ahead of Pulock the guy the Islanders didn't want to give up in a Leddy deal. They were very happy to send us Pokka and now on this list Pokka is better. Pokka got a very strong ranking on this list. That is a top 4 D type ranking which I see.

I think we forget about Pokka a bit. If you know we have the top 4 and TVR for the next 2 years then we only need 1 NHL D in the system. That's Pokka.

Loss of depth in prospects? Yes.
Loss of a potential impact prospect at D? Yes.
At the end of the day will it hurt the Hawks? Doubtful.

 

[hawksrule]

Johns is nowhere on the list. Pronman tends to focus on younger players tho which is also why Panarin is so low.. Interestingly, Pokka is ahead of Pulock the guy the Islanders didn't want to give up in a Leddy deal. They were very happy to send us Pokka and now on this list Pokka is better. Pokka got a very strong ranking on this list. That is a top 4 D type ranking which I see.

I think we forget about Pokka a bit. If you know we have the top 4 and TVR for the next 2 years then we only need 1 NHL D in the system. That's Pokka.

Loss of depth in prospects? Yes.
Loss of a potential impact prospect at D? Yes.
At the end of the day will it hurt the Hawks? Doubtful.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but it seems like you want it both ways. You were the most excited guy here when we signed Paliotta, and the most excited guy here about potentially signing Rielly.

And trading Johns still seems asanine. That awful trade has gotten lost in the shuffle now, but it's no less awful than it was a month ago.

 

[Taze em]

I'm not saying you're wrong, but it seems like you want it both ways. You were the most excited guy here when we signed Paliotta, and the most excited guy here about potentially signing Rielly.

And trading Johns still seems asanine. That awful trade has gotten lost in the shuffle now, but it's no less awful than it was a month ago.

I can have it both ways because it pretty much is both ways. I was super excited about signing Paliotta, super excited about Johns and I really like Reilly.

For those 3+Pokka to make the team all but Keith and Hammer would need to be gone.

 

[hawksrule]

I can have it both ways because it pretty much is both ways. I was super excited about signing Paliotta, super excited about Johns and I really like Reilly.

For those 3+Pokka to make the team all but Keith and Hammer would need to be gone.

I'm not so sure about that. I don't like Daley, and he's not exactly young anyway. I'm rooting for TVR, but I think people jump the gun when they pencil him in as a bonafide nhl'er. Not to mention Rundblad. Point being, there would have been room for the best among this group.

 

[kmwtrucks]

the part of the Johns trade that hurt was it was to the same team that offered 2 2nds and 2 prospects at the draft and we declined. If we do that we can sign JO and with Desjardens do we really need GArbutt? So instead of Garbutt and Daley we could have had JO, JOHNS, 2 2nds, and 2 prospects. I take the latter every day of the week, that is a really good offer for Sharp so it makes no sense why we passed on it knowing the value of getting some cap space.

 

[Hawkaholic]

the part of the Johns trade that hurt was it was to the same team that offered 2 2nds and 2 prospects at the draft and we declined. If we do that we can sign JO and with Desjardens do we really need GArbutt? So instead of Garbutt and Daley we could have had JO, JOHNS, 2 2nds, and 2 prospects. I take the latter every day of the week, that is a really good offer for Sharp so it makes no sense why we passed on it knowing the value of getting some cap space.

Source?

 

[kmwtrucks]

It was reported over on the other Hawks board that Dallas offered a take it or leave it offer and Bowman had a super short window to except. Hawks have allot of people in the decision making process, both bowmans, MCD, Q at some level. It was reported he was holding out for a 1st and probably thought he could get it. I cannot prove it is true but the fact that dallas later did a trade means there had to be interest before the draft as well. Maybe there is no truth to it, But I'm sure we had some offer before the draft that was a better fit then what we got.

 

[Hawkaholic]

It was reported over on the other Hawks board that Dallas offered a take it or leave it offer and Bowman had a super short window to except. Hawks have allot of people in the decision making process, both bowmans, MCD, Q at some level. It was reported he was holding out for a 1st and probably thought he could get it. I cannot prove it is true but the fact that dallas later did a trade means there had to be interest before the draft as well. Maybe there is no truth to it, But I'm sure we had some offer before the draft that was a better fit then what we got.

So a message board is where you got it from? Yeah, not buying it.

 

[Dishtank]

Hawks signed defenseman Nolan Valleau out of BGSU this morning. Kinda odd considering he just finished his Redshirt Freshman year. He was arguably BG's best defenseman and out preformed Flyers 3rd round pick Mark Friedman. Valleae is a nice PMD and should play in Rockford this year so we will see Jardine, Pokka, and Valleau as our big young three with either 3 more AHL guys or maybe another young defenseman. I go to BG so if you have any questions on Valleau please feel free to ask!

 

[BGFalconHawks]

Hawks signed defenseman Nolan Valleau out of BGSU this morning. Kinda odd considering he just finished his Redshirt Freshman year. He was arguably BG's best defenseman and out preformed Flyers 3rd round pick Mark Friedman. Valleae is a nice PMD and should play in Rockford this year so we will see Jardine, Pokka, and Valleau as our big young three with either 3 more AHL guys or maybe another young defenseman. I go to BG so if you have any questions on Valleau please feel free to ask!

Ay Ziggy Zoomba!

I think it's a case of being 22 already, you can't turn down the opportunity to sign with a Cup winning team even after just one season and arguably he can't really perform much better than he did.

 

[No Fun Shogun]

Danault underwent hip surgery, expected to be out three months.

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/...anault-could-miss-3-months-after-hip-surgery/

 

[LandofLincoln*]

Danault underwent hip surgery, expected to be out three months.

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/...anault-could-miss-3-months-after-hip-surgery/

Kevin White needs surgery (Bears) and Philip Danault had surgery. I found both details out today. Not sure which is more strange considering both timings are complete oddities.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Tough news about Danault. Really wanted to see him earn a spot this year.

Also, Hawks signed Mac Carruth to an AHL contract. So from what I remember Visentin and Carruth will share the net. I don't believe they have signed a vet like Leighton yet, correct?

 

[Pepe Silvia]

Tough news about Danault. Really wanted to see him earn a spot this year.

Also, Hawks signed Mac Carruth to an AHL contract. So from what I remember Visentin and Carruth will share the net. I don't believe they have signed a vet like Leighton yet, correct?

They re-signed Leighton for another year. He'll be the starter in Rockford, and one of Visentin or Carruth should be in Indy.