Prospect Info: 5th Overall Pick 2020: Who Do The Sens Draft

[BondraTime]

Well we know at least 1 team had Hayton over Zadina.. Hughes would have been over Zadina on some lists . Likely the same with a few others.

Who's it going to be at 5 was a question. Hayton, Zadina, Hughes, Bouchard, Dobson, Boqvist Wahlstrom ... all it takes is that team to have a player ranked higher. Bob McKenzie's final 2018 , 5/10 scouts had Zadina outside the top 5 (the smart ones).

Dobson was the top guy from the Q on a lot of lists by the end of the year from what I could gather, compared to almost unanimously Zadina in November

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Ottawa Senators: Defenceman or forward at fifth overall? pretty light but there you go.

also this outlet is ranking the top 31
Ranking the top 31 prospects in the 2020 NHL Draft: 4. Marco Rossi

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

Ottawa Senators: Defenceman or forward at fifth overall? pretty light but there you go.

also this outlet is ranking the top 31
Ranking the top 31 prospects in the 2020 NHL Draft: 4. Marco Rossi

Horrible

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Horrible

If you liked that you are going to love this Robinson: “Final” 2020 NHL Draft Rankings (June 2020)

 

[Cosmix]

Well we know at least 1 team had Hayton over Zadina.. Hughes would have been over Zadina on some lists . Likely the same with a few others.

Who's it going to be at 5 was a question. Hayton, Zadina, Hughes, Bouchard, Dobson, Boqvist Wahlstrom ... all it takes is that team to have a player ranked higher. Bob McKenzie's final 2018 , 5/10 scouts had Zadina outside the top 5 (the smart ones).

I would like to see this year’s draft version.

 

[JD1]

If you liked that you are going to love this Robinson: “Final” 2020 NHL Draft Rankings (June 2020)

That's a pretty different list....going for shock value I'd gues

 

[TheDebater]

If you liked that you are going to love this Robinson: “Final” 2020 NHL Draft Rankings (June 2020)

That's a pretty different list....going for shock value I'd gues

Maybe, but to be fair, he did say this before making his list:

"This is not intended to mock up what the selections will eventually be this… fall?. This is how I perceive the player today in conjunction with how I believe they will progress and develop. It’s projection over current product."

Which in retrospect is an odd excuse because the entire draft is generally based on how good the player will be later on, and not just now. Is this guy supposed to be a reliable opinion on the draft, has he ever been right in previous years? Does he really think Rossi and Holtz are going to be better than Stutzle?

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Maybe, but to be fair, he did say this before making his list:

"This is not intended to mock up what the selections will eventually be this… fall?. This is how I perceive the player today in conjunction with how I believe they will progress and develop. It’s projection over current product."

Which in retrospect is an odd excuse because the entire draft is generally based on how good the player will be later on, and not just now. Is this guy supposed to be a reliable opinion on the draft, has he ever been right in previous years? Does he really think Rossi and Holtz are going to be better than Stutzle?

He's in that Stutzle is overrated crowd. He was part of that group video from EliteProspects doing their ranking that was posted here a bit back. Also has Byfield at 1... it is what it is .. There are many out there to agree with or disagree with. I am not selling the ranking .. just sharing it. When people evaluate and project players they see different things .. same goes for scouts. Its always good to have some different perspectives but if you want to go by a single ranking to help form your opinion I would suggest McKenzie's noting how close they are in that 5,6,7,8 grouping.

 

[ijif]

Maybe, but to be fair, he did say this before making his list:

"This is not intended to mock up what the selections will eventually be this… fall?. This is how I perceive the player today in conjunction with how I believe they will progress and develop. It’s projection over current product."

Which in retrospect is an odd excuse because the entire draft is generally based on how good the player will be later on, and not just now. Is this guy supposed to be a reliable opinion on the draft, has he ever been right in previous years? Does he really think Rossi and Holtz are going to be better than Stutzle?

It is not an excuse. He is saying it is his ranking (what he believes), not a mock draft (what he believes NHL teams will do).

I can't comment on if he has been correct before when going off the board or if he is just doing it for shock value. He has 2017-19 NHL draft rankings, so you could look at those. He might have earlier years, but I did not see any with a quick search.

 

[Micklebot]

Maybe, but to be fair, he did say this before making his list:

"This is not intended to mock up what the selections will eventually be this… fall?. This is how I perceive the player today in conjunction with how I believe they will progress and develop. It’s projection over current product."

Which in retrospect is an odd excuse because the entire draft is generally based on how good the player will be later on, and not just now. Is this guy supposed to be a reliable opinion on the draft, has he ever been right in previous years? Does he really think Rossi and Holtz are going to be better than Stutzle?

Last 2 years didn't seem nearly as out there...

	2019	2018
1	Jack Hughes	Rasmus Dahlin
2	Kaapo Kakko	Andrei Svechnikov
3	Alex Turcotte	Quinn Hughes
4	Bowen Byram	Filip Zadina
5	Trevor Zegras	Oliver Wahlstrom
6	Alex Newhook	Noah Dobson
7	Peyton Krebs	Jesperi Kotkaniemi
8	Vasili Podkolzin	Adam Boqvist
9	Dylan Cozens	Brady Tkachuk
10	Kirby Dach	Joel Farabee
11	Matthew Boldy	Dominik Bokk
12	Cole Caufield	Ty Smith
13	Mortiz Seider	Rasmus Kupari
14	Victor Soderstrom	Jonatan Berggren
15	Phillip Tomasino	Evan Bouchard
16	Thomas Harley	Vitali Kravtsov
17	Cam York	Grigori Denisenko
18	Ville Henola	Barrett Hayton
19	Philip Broberg	Jake Wise
20	Spencer Knight	Isac Lundestrom
21	Arthur Kaliyev	Joe Veleno
22	Pavel Dorofeyev	Martin Kaut
23	Nicholas Robertson	K'Andre Miller
24	Ryan Suzuki	Nils Lundkvist
25	Bobby Brink	Jay O'Brien
26	Nils Hoglander	Akil Thomas
27	Patrik Puistola	Ty Dellandrea
28	Samuel Poulin	Serron Noel
29	Vladislav Kolyachonok	Jonny Tychonick
30	John Beecher	Bode Wilde
31	Matthew Robertson	Ryan Merkley

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I would like to see this year’s draft version.

could not find one from eotp but I found one from back in April.. and the sources date ahead of that so take it for what you will

2020 Consolidated Draft Rankings: The Rankings (1/3)
2020 Consolidated Draft Rankings: The First Pick (2/3) -- he has a little blurb on the top 10

I am sure there are other ones but I know you like the pictures

Why not throw in a plug for Rossi... I wonder if he still feels that way.
Marco Rossi - C - 6.58
The first player we’re talking about that is available at 4th in all services that I ranked. He also has a fairly small deviation in his rankings, which is a surprise given the type of player he is. He’s also only ranked outside of the top 9 once in 26 rankings, where he was ranked 10th.
Again, I don’t want any of these to turn into scouting reports, but I do want to mention that I am all in for taking Rossi if Lafreniere and Byfield aren’t available. I have him as a strong 3rd and very little that I’ve seen in my own viewings to justify putting him any lower. If there’s any player in this top range that’s underrated it’s Marco Rossi.

 

[TheDebater]

It is not an excuse. He is saying it is his ranking (what he believes), not a mock draft (what he believes NHL teams will do).

I can't comment on if he has been correct before when going off the board or if he is just doing it for shock value. He has 2017-19 NHL draft rankings, so you could look at those. He might have earlier years, but I did not see any with a quick search.

The reason I call it "an excuse" is that justifying his rankings as "based on my projections of these players" is very redundant. Is that not what all so called experts base their final draft rankings on?

Are you telling me a guy like Mackenzie simply creates his final rankings based on how good a player is right now? If that were the case, Corey Locke would have gone first overall in 2005.

I am pretty confident most G.M's and scouts make their lists based on which players will be the best in the future and not just right now.

He can rank them however he wants at the end of the day it is an opinion, so I am not here to bash his opinion, I am simply nit-picking his choice of justifying his odd rankings based on "future projections".

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

The reason I call it "an excuse" is that justifying his rankings as "based on my projections of these players" is very redundant. Is that not what all so called experts base their final draft rankings on?

Are you telling me a guy like Mackenzie simply creates his final rankings based on how good a player is right now? If that were the case, Corey Locke would have gone first overall in 2005.

I am pretty confident most G.M's and scouts make their lists based on which players will be the best in the future and not just right now.

He can rank them however he wants at the end of the day it is an opinion, so I am not here to bash his opinion, I am simply nit-picking his choice of justifying his odd rankings based on "future projections".

MkKenzie consolidates 10 NHL team scouts rankings , they are not his own.
So what if he used something you consider redundant to describe what he did. Noise

 

[scallionjj11]

I dont know it seems most of us would be happy with anyone of Drysdale Rossi Raymond Sanderson or Perfetti. To a lesser extent Quinn and Lundell too.

A lot of good options, everybody has preferences but that doesnt mean you dislike the other players.

Wish we knew the Sens top 5.. at least 3 is easy with Byfield/Stutzle lol

Rossi?

 

[ijif]

The reason I call it "an excuse" is that justifying his rankings as "based on my projections of these players" is very redundant. Is that not what all so called experts base their final draft rankings on?

Are you telling me a guy like Mackenzie simply creates his final rankings based on how good a player is right now? If that were the case, Corey Locke would have gone first overall in 2005.

I am pretty confident most G.M's and scouts make their lists based on which players will be the best in the future and not just right now.

He can rank them however he wants at the end of the day it is an opinion, so I am not here to bash his opinion, I am simply nit-picking his choice of justifying his odd rankings based on "future projections".

Sure, it is redundant, but he is likely trying to make clear to his readers that it is his ranking, not a mock draft.

 

[TheDebater]

Sure, it is redundant, but he is likely trying to make clear to his readers that it is his ranking, not a mock draft.

That I can agree with.

 

[H2O]

My baseless guess of the Sens projected top 12 draft list:

Laf
By
Stutz
Rossi
Sanderson
Drysdale
Quinn
Perfetti
Raymond
Holtz
Lundell
Askarov

 

[Sensinitis]

Perfetti-Byfield-Duclair
Tkachuk-Norris-Batherson

That’s a pretty sick top 6... and excluding the Isles 1st/Formenton/Pinto/White/L.Brown/C.Brown/Paul/Balcers/Chlapik/Davidsson/Abramov etc etc

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

My baseless guess of the Sens projected top 12 draft list:

Laf
By
Stutz
Rossi
Sanderson
Drysdale
Quinn
Perfetti
Raymond
Holtz
Lundell
Askarov

I doubt they have Rossi that high. Raymond would be higher than Quinn too. Just guessing

 

[Cosmix]

could not find one from eotp but I found one from back in April.. and the sources date ahead of that so take it for what you will

2020 Consolidated Draft Rankings: The Rankings (1/3)
2020 Consolidated Draft Rankings: The First Pick (2/3) -- he has a little blurb on the top 10

I am sure there are other ones but I know you like the pictures

Why not throw in a plug for Rossi... I wonder if he still feels that way.
Marco Rossi - C - 6.58
The first player we’re talking about that is available at 4th in all services that I ranked. He also has a fairly small deviation in his rankings, which is a surprise given the type of player he is. He’s also only ranked outside of the top 9 once in 26 rankings, where he was ranked 10th.
Again, I don’t want any of these to turn into scouting reports, but I do want to mention that I am all in for taking Rossi if Lafreniere and Byfield aren’t available. I have him as a strong 3rd and very little that I’ve seen in my own viewings to justify putting him any lower. If there’s any player in this top range that’s underrated it’s Marco Rossi.

Thanks for that. I do like pics!

 

[H2O]

I doubt they have Rossi that high. Raymond would be higher than Quinn too. Just guessing

Not sure, Rossi oozes character and we know how much this team values it, to a fault sometimes.. Sanderson is another known for his leadership and dedication and being a great locker room guy.

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

Not sure, Rossi oozes character and we know how much this team values it, to a fault sometimes.. Sanderson is another known for his leadership and dedication and being a great locker room guy.

Rossi is also small which they never draft.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Rossi is also small which they never draft.

How do you explain Mark Stone ; best player and leader for "Proudest Day" a D man prospect that is very close to the same size, maybe a touch smaller. Seems like Dorion was more than fine with his size?

 

[JungleBeat]

Byfield + Raymond or Rossi and its a Stanley cup within three years.

 

[Sens Vader]

Byfield + Raymond or Rossi and its a Stanley cup within three years.

That's some pretty sexy edge work right there! Nice seeing him improve his skating