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Babcock on Sportsnet saying the difference in the game was our centers being great on the FO. Said they were chasing the play way more than usual.
Post-Game Talk: # 50 | Maple Leafs 1 at FLYERS 2 | Thursday, January 26, 2017
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LegionOfDoom91
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Outside if s couple bad defensive plays, cousins was a beast tonight. He was a one man cycle machine.
Magua
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You can't break up the lines when they're winning and the Schenn line scoring for now and the Couturier line dominating 2-way -- and Hakstol is a creature of habit -- but I will just keep saying that I prefer 25-14-17 / 11-10-24 to current lines long-term, when they inevitably get a shuffle at some point. The Schenn line might only score off the rush or a breakaway, and then proceed to get hemmed in all game in their own end and do little in the cycle game. Read made magic with Laughton/Cousins last year as the 2-way glue guy. No reason he couldn't do the same again with 2 better players. Then Couturier line gets more finish ability, and Coots-Simmer always have good chemistry 5v5 and on PK. I just like the dynamics more.
MiamiScreamingEagles
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The early PK was something that shouldn't be overlooked. And Simmonds' comment about "a lot of scouting" is noted
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/flyers/411935136.html
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/flyers/411935136.html
Curufinwe
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Hak was having none of it when the guy brought up the Hak line had no shot attempts last night.
He basically said that even last night when nothing showed up on the stat sheet, they were still excellent and contributing in other ways.
It was unconvincing, to say the least.
Yeah, that was massively important to keep the momentum out of their hands and the collapse out of our heads. We don't always respond well to adversity, at least lately.
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Hak was having none of it when the guy brought up the Hak line had no shot attempts last night.
"Excellent last night"?!?!
He emphasized it too. Charlie O'Connor asked it, and he even phrased it in praise worthy fashion to say they they were maybe the best line tonight. It was a softball question to praise his favorite line's game, but like come on, Hak. Just say nicely that they battled hard blah blah blah. You don't get out attempted 0-14 and sniff excellence. He then tried to say some of the stuff doesn't show up in the stats. Sure, Dave.
Just further evidence he evaluates them through rose-colored glasses based on a different standard, where at their worst they're "excellent."
I see where your coming from, but by taking away simmer and adding Read you take away to much scoring from Schenn line, and lose to much d from Couts line. If anything you swap 25 and 11. Couts line doesn't have to score to be effective, and in all honesty they prob won't. Schenn line does, and they has been starting to lately.
I hope for the rest of the year we go back to the 2 man pairing combos and fill in as needed
xxx-Giroux-Voracek
xxx-Schenn-Simmer
xxx-Couts-Read
VDV-PEB-xxx
Imo those are the locks and if you need a change, rotate Raffl, Konecny, Cousins, Lube, Weise as needed
MiamiScreamingEagles
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Overall, four points in about 24 hours. That is the stat that matters. Good job.
"Excellent last night"?!?!
He emphasized it too. Charlie O'Connor asked it, and he even phrased it in praise worthy fashion to say they they were maybe the best line tonight. Like come on, Hak. Just say nicely that they battled hard blah blah blah. You don't get out attempted 0-14 and sniff excellence. He then tried to say some of the stuff doesn't show up in the stats. Sure, Dave.
Just further evidence he evaluates them through rose-colored glasses based on a different standard, where at their worst they're "excellent."
It's like if you pinch one off, and then flush, and then say "It didn't show up in the toilet." If there was poop, just admit it. Everyone poops.
I'm not entirely sure that example holds up to close scrutiny lol I think it may be a false equivalency
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Couturier doesn't need Read for defense. Schenn does. Couturier-Simmonds work well enough PKing anyway. And Cousins is smart. He's matching up against top lines now already.
Schenn-Konecny don't need help offensively; they need defensive help and some stronger possession play. Not sure you see where I'm coming from...
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It's like if you pinch one off, and then flush, and then say "It didn't show up in the toilet." If there was poop, just admit it. Everyone poops.
I'm not entirely sure that example holds up to close scrutiny lol I think it may be a false equivalency
It just sounded like baloney. Worst part? You KNOW he believes it to be true. He wasn't lying from his vantage point. He simply cannot be trusted with his pets on the roster, and that has to change going forward. If you can get dominated 0-14 in shot attempts in a full game, and that's excellent.....what's bad?!
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Yeah, I'm fine with Coots' line not scoring. They'll get a goal here and there and take defensive pressure off Giroux and Schenn.
And right now it's working.
Couts doesn't need Read but the pairing is the best shutdown combo we have. In the last 4 years those two have been together for the majority of time, and it's worked. And Konecny isn't the offensive driving force in the 2nd line. Schenn and simmer grind well and feed off each other well. That's why they were so effective last year as well.
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It's looked better since the break, when they changed it. Literally everything we wanted changed. Konecny is loosely playing Giroux's role, but sometimes he plays bumper and Provorov is on the half wall. Cousins is on the right. They generally have sticks available for one timers, though they haven't done many. Coots in front to screen and get pucks back. I'd commend Mullen except we've asked for this for a long time, and it seemed obvious as can be, especially when your entire job -- not a fun hobby -- revolves around it. But it's good now.
It just sounded like baloney. Worst part? You KNOW he believes it to be true. He wasn't lying from his vantage point. He simply cannot be trusted with his pets on the roster, and that has to change going forward. If you can get dominated 0-14 in shot attempts in a full game, and that's excellent.....what's bad?!
I know. When we start to get closer to real contention, we need him (and Hexy) to be kind of ruthless with his roster and TOI decisions and not treat stonehanded players like beloved pet rocks. If we find and nab gems, we can't be having them on a shelf - they need to be out there with the time and space and circumstances to do stuff. TBD I guess.
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1) everyone has a ***** fit when Couturier and his line doesn't score
2) let's not act like the Schenn line has scored more this season either
Agreed. They have PP1 talent too. Provy and Streit are PP1 QB, Couts may not finish as well in tight as simmer or Schenn or other top notice net guys , but he has better then average positioning in front of the net and can cycle from that position. Cousins and Konecny aren't 1st unit players but both have creativity and vision to be PP2 guys
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Not just tonight. When it has all 4 of the main pieces (Couts, TK, Provy, Streit), they usually do look good
Sombastate
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I went to the game with Ruck. Good game to go into the break with.
That board work from Voracek in the last minute was a thing of beauty.
That board work from Voracek in the last minute was a thing of beauty.
