ERYX
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This is the best bottom six I can remember in a good while. This may be the best 4th line Jets 2.0 have had (at least at this stage of the season, with no rentals pushing people down the lineup).
Post-Game Talk: 5 minutes of work doesn't equal a win, Jets lose in OT 2-1
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Channelcat
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Coaching is not our biggest problem, but ya...... they better not be grooming him as our next coach
I would reply but you probably won't see it.Question for a friend: is there a limit to how many people you can have on ignore?
Anyways, last game of a tough set of games. I think that combined with some extra curriculars from the boys showed last night. They looked a step behind all night.
Regardless of the play, they got a point and 5/6 on the trip.
I was hoping for 5-5 in the first 10 and we're going to do at least that.
With the schedule, new systems, Bowness Ehlers being out and Connor absolutely snakebit in pretty happy with where we are.
I want a big fan of the 3v3 player usage. I don't mind starting with Lowry as possession is key and many ot's don't lay long, but he should change asap once possession is decided. They overplayed 55 and 81 and it showed. I think Arniel was trying to get Connor a goal.
Perfetti absolutely should have gotten some looks. It'll be interesting to see how that's run with Bowness.
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With the way the 4th line is playing who do you take out when Ehlers is ready to go, atm is has to be Apples but I have a feeling it wont be
Ya that's actually a tough question, as we speak right now i would agree probably Appleton.
ERYX
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Good question.
Have to agree, it's unlikely to be Apples who goes to the pressbox. I'm guessing one of Big Sak (Maenalanen) or Jonsson-Fjallby goes to the pressbox, and the two of them rotate? Sucks to send either of them though as they've done well. But I can't see them sitting the guy who they're rewarded with 1st line time for his good work to the pressbox. I know people haven't been enamoured of Apples' play on the first/second, but think he's still a better player than either of the two noted.
CorgisPer60
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I don't mind the bottom 6 either. The 4th line (but really it's our 3rd) has been the best it's ever been. AJF/Gus/Maen have been great together. I'm guessing it'll be Gagner who sits when Ehlers is back, but we have no idea when that will be. Have they said anything about what issue is keeping him out? Arniel said that his workouts have been light. I thought he blocked a shot with his hand. Is there something else?
I've played a ton of sports. I remember one dude on my team who loved going for the low % "big play". I used to hate when it worked because I knew he'd romanticize that one success and it would lead to plenty of bad decisions in the future.
Some people are just big picture thinkers. I was always a player who tried to detach myself from results and focus more on process, because results are always a bit capricious and process is far more important. Good process is going to lead to results naturally. Process is the part that you can control.
Yeah obviously the result is a good thing, but I'd much rather play well and lose than play badly and win (unless it's a playoff game or something) because that means better results in the long run.
Agree that top pairing is struggling a lot.
ERYX
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I can't speak for others but I'd never block the Dude. Always enjoy your laid-back and Dude-like approach to things on this board. And the GIF's.I would reply but you probably won't see it.
I actually watched "The Big Lebowski" fairly recently (for the first time) solely because of you ... wanted to get more context on your GIF's and figured if a fun poster liked the film it must be decent. It was definitely a unique film watching experience and well outside the ordinary of what I tend to watch!
I've really resisted using ignore for a long time but the toxic negativity is really affecting my enjoyment.Luckily no
You can have so many on ignore a lot of threads dont make sense anymore
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I refuse to use the ignore feature (although sometimes I secretly wonder how many have used it on me lol). I like the exchange of ideas and viewpoints as long as it's mostly respectful.Question for a friend: is there a limit to how many people you can have on ignore?
Anyways, last game of a tough set of games. I think that combined with some extra curriculars from the boys showed last night. They looked a step behind all night.
Regardless of the play, they got a point and 5/6 on the trip.
I was hoping for 5-5 in the first 10 and we're going to do at least that.
With the schedule, new systems, Bowness Ehlers being out and Connor absolutely snakebit in pretty happy with where we are.
I want a big fan of the 3v3 player usage. I don't mind starting with Lowry as possession is key and many ot's don't lay long, but he should change asap once possession is decided. They overplayed 55 and 81 and it showed. I think Arniel was trying to get Connor a goal.
Perfetti absolutely should have gotten some looks. It'll be interesting to see how that's run with Bowness.
I still think there's a bunch of room for improvement on this team. Ehlers out, Connor yet to score, Bowness hasn't set foot on the bench... hopefully next time we play Vegas our game is better and we come away with both points.
On the other hand, based on the graphic they showed of helle's record when facing 40+ shots maybe we should purposefully lose the corsi battle every game
Lol nah, you good homieI would reply but you probably won't see it.
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CorgisPer60
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Appleton is outmatched in the top 6. He needs less minutes and less competition. I'd swap him and Gagner right now and try that for a game or two.
@Jet Sorry if my negativity is affecting your ability to enjoy the game. I'm trying to be objectively balanced and fair. I think I've earned that right.
This is going to be a common refrain I suspect, just as it has been for a few years now -- and I get it.
But how many players have turned over since the Famine Years of 2020 -22? Our entire 4th line and 2/3 of our 3rd line are new or new-old stock, and we've got Perfetti who never really played under the previous Mau-ministration, and PLD who barely did.
So we're really talking about the usual suspects in 55, KFC and Wheeler, plus maybe Pionk on D, since I'd largely exempt JMo who's too smart to have bought whatever Huddy was selling, Dillon who was clearly unhappy with the old regime and Schmidt who plays like Schmidt for whoever.
I think they're trying. I think not having their actual coach around hasn't helped and losing Ehlers for what may well be the first 10 - 15 games of the season hasn't helped. And, of course, the same old transition and FW/ D gap issues persist.
I'm still hopeful.
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Thriving? Both teams are 5-3-1, with the exact same goal differential.
Of Florida's first 9 games, 7 have been against teams that missed the playoffs last year. Their 5 wins have been against the Isles (twice), Sens, Sabres, and Flyers. This is the team that won the President's Trophy last year with 122 points.
In contrast, 5 of the Jets first 9 games have been against teams that made the playoffs last year. And we've won 3 of them (St. Louis, NYR, and cup champs Colorado).
It will take some time for our new systems to click. Not to mention we haven't had our coach for most of the season, Ehlers has been out, and KFC has been snakebitten.
Plenty more season to see how those plays out.
It could always be alot worse, we could be Toronto.
IMO leaving Apples where he is on the PP smacks of a lack of warm bodies and coachly imagination for PP2, and of "We won with Apples there so he stays."
He is not an asset there. Gagner, Barron, Gus -- the list is long.
Good point, as you mentioned we have turned over a good chunk of the roster.
Of the old guard this is what I have seen:
-Scheifele is trying in his end and is often down low supporting the dmen. I think we can hopefully expect improvements in all around play as he gets used to it.
-Wheeler I think has just aged out as a good player. He still is getting his points but looks slower and isn't as strong on pucks as he was in past years. His hands and puck skills also look to have taken a hit. He ideally would be in a third line role at this point in his career or with two guys that can really push the play.
-Conner is still having issues transitioning the puck out of his end. This has been an issue for a while with him. But he's not alone there this year as our breakouts have been crap for the most part. Hopefully as a team we get this ironed out and we see improvements from Conner.
Pionk just needs to be taken off the top pairing. He's dragging JoMo down. The two also don't click as they both want to jump in aggressively.
In all honesty I think we need one more top 6 player udeally with some grit and tenacity to push Wheeler out on the right. We also need to probably improve on one of Schmidt/Pionk. I think you can have one of the two but having both creates a liability on the back end.
CorgisPer60
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It could always be alot worse, we could be Toronto.
Oh shit, if you thought our brand of toxic negativity was overbearing. I have a friend that refuses to even talk about the Leafs. He's tits deep in F1 and Max Verstappen right now.
ERYX
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It could always be alot worse, we could be Toronto.
Toronto's record isn't even that much worse than ours, but who they've been losing against and how certainly takes it to a darker place. The two giveaways by Marner last night were AWFUL.
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"Good teams find a way to win" is really a misnomer. Both good teams and bad teams can win games in which they are outplayed. Whether you want to call that "luck" or not is a matter of semantics, and I understand why it's unpalatable for some, but from a strict numeric POV, any win fits the textbook definition of "good luck" -- measured value (1 win) exceeding expected value (say, 0.4 wins for a 3-2 underdog). And at the end of the day, "good teams find a way to win" is more accurately described as "good teams need less luck to win than bad teams". It remains the single biggest mental block in athletics, to suggest that victory can be achieved through force of will alone. Some shit -- a LOT of it -- is out of your control and out of the player's control.
I'm all for being positive, christ I think that much is clear over the years, but we've been handily outplayed three games in a row, this last one to a degree I can't recall seeing in all my days. Us going 2-0-1 in that stretch isn't a case of "good team finding a way to win", it's a case of "significant underdog (for a number of reasons -- on the road, missing head coach, missing star player) getting very lucky."
I'm of course happy to see them winning and am grateful for the hot start, because we'll need it if we're going to stay in the mix long enough to convince management to fix the team's still-pressing issues.
This thread should bring warm even the most charcoal-like of hearts
"When did you know it was over for this group?" on the TO forum.
I'm all for being positive, christ I think that much is clear over the years, but we've been handily outplayed three games in a row, this last one to a degree I can't recall seeing in all my days. Us going 2-0-1 in that stretch isn't a case of "good team finding a way to win", it's a case of "significant underdog (for a number of reasons -- on the road, missing head coach, missing star player) getting very lucky."
I'm of course happy to see them winning and am grateful for the hot start, because we'll need it if we're going to stay in the mix long enough to convince management to fix the team's still-pressing issues.
This thread should bring warm even the most charcoal-like of hearts
"When did you know it was over for this group?" on the TO forum.
ERYX
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I am put in mind of Napoleon Bonaparte's famous rerort when he was criticised for winning battles simply because of luck: “I'd rather have lucky generals than good ones.”
In other words, I'll take the points, and I'll take the luck. Not going to let the fact we relied on luck ruin my enjoyment. Doesn't mean I don't want the Jets' play to improve. But I take things game by game. Can't control anything anyway, and enjoy watching men play a kid's game of chasing a piece of rubber around some ice for preposterous amounts of money.
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