4th Overall the Senators Take Brady Tkachuk

[Langdon Alger]

Mark Stone is the most overrated Sens player by a county mile.

And just like that, credibility is gone.

 

[Icelevel]

i've seen him play enough and bruh its 2018. there's tape everywhere. and skating is a lot more than just who can skate up and down the fastest.

brady tkachuk is an ottawa senator. zadina is a red wing. who are you a fan of?

 

[Sensinitis]

i've seen him play enough and bruh its 2018. there's tape everywhere. and skating is a lot more than just who can skate up and down the fastest.

Yeah, so as I suspected, your youtube viewings have convinced you more than the people who watched both players all year vis a vis the skating prowess of both players. Cool beans.

 

[DJB]

Is hw going to score 40? Probably not. But his baseline looks like 20+ goals 30+ assists once hes developed. Plus all the other intangibles he brings. Hits, fights, battles for the puck, sticks his butt right in front of the net. For years our fans complained about how soft the Sens were. Well now we have a power forward who will eventually play 20 minutes a night and on both speciality teams too.

Adding a power forward in the mold of Simmonds (floor) or Keith Tkachuk (ceiling ) is pretty exciting!

 

[Sensung]

both would have been good picks. We went with the guy that is going to have a big on ice and off ice impact. He has the ability to change the culture unlike zadina.

So the son of a player that was viewed as an asshole is going to impact the off ice stuff in a positive way?

 

[Sensinitis]

Sure, it shows I think Stone is a star player with limited skills and excellent hockey IQ that a segment of the fanbase massively overrates.

That’s a more reasonable comment, but what skills of his are limited other than his speed? Everything else is top notch.

Anyways this is probably for another thread.

 

[DJB]

Zadina skating reminds me of Alfies. Not the fastest but great edgework and turns.

Honestly both Brady and Zadina have good enough skating that likely improves anyway

 

[BondraTime]

Is hw going to score 40? Probably not. But his baseline looks like 20+ goals 30+ assists once hes developed. Plus all the other intangibles he brings. Hits, fights, battles for the puck, sticks his butt right in front of the net. For years our fans complained about how soft the Sens were. Well now we have a power forward who will eventually play 20 minutes a night and on both speciality teams too.

Adding a power forward in the mold of Simmonds (floor) or Keith Tkachuk (ceiling ) is pretty exciting!

Simmonds is definitely not his floor

 

[TheBradyBunch]

The videos I've seen (that's all I've got to go on)...show some dangles that look like they won't fly at the NHL level. He's got hands, but they're slow and I doubt they translate to pro. I might nickname him Clunky Dangles. I worry whenever I see a guy get a lot of ugly goals, and that seems to be Brady. It was Lazar at the WJC and it was Chiasson in the year before we traded for him. Brady is obviously better than either of them, but I wonder if by enough.

I think his hands are outstanding, his moves are all subtle and smooth and I think they'll translate extremely well, especially as he gains more power and coordination. Lazar and Chiasson had no creativity and couldn't adapt to split-second situations whereas I feel like those are specific strengths for Tkachuk.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Mark Stone is the most overrated Sens player by a county mile.

Where the f*** did this come from

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Yeah, so as I suspected, your youtube viewings have convinced you more than the people who watched both players all year vis a vis the skating prowess of both players. Cool beans.

I watched both in the WJCs and a bit of Tkachuck in college when he played Hughes.

Zadina has decent top speed but poor acceleration. However, he can turn on a dime and has the hands to retain possession while making these turns. Repeat his agility is incredible.

Tkachuk has good skating, when he reaches top speed he looks fluid and effortless but his acceleration also isn't anything to brag about. His agility is decent but no where near the level of Zadinas.

Both are solid skaters who need to get better to become dynamic skaters.

since you have watched them play and i havent what would you change in this description?

 

[Sens Vader]

Simmonds is definitely not his floor

What's his floor?

 

[sfulefty]

Listening to Vancouver radio on earlier this week and the thought that Zadina might drop to Vancouver at #7. But their needs are that of a dman, considering they already have a similar skill set with Brock Boeser. I believe it was one of their scouts who commented about Zadina along the lines of "We think he's still going to be a GOOD player. But there are doubts whether he will be a GREAT player. His physical skills are no better than average, as shown at the Combine. He does shoot the puck well, but concerns about his 2-way play. Nothing he's done wrong. He does have one high end NHL skill, but not everyone is convinced he's going to be able to work through his deficiencies to become a GREAT player." It was something like that.

 

[BondraTime]

What's his floor?

Less than a 30 goal, 60 point power forward.

His floor is high, he's basically guaranteed to be an effective 3rd liner at minimum. His floor is that, a 3rd line 30 point energy guy.

His ceiling is also low, in my opinion. Simmonds is basically what I see as his likely career.

Tkachuk is a Sen, here's hoping he becomes a premiere guy.

 

[DJB]

Imagine Coyotes fans. Missed on Brady passed on Zadina for a guy ranked around 12 on Bobs list

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

Mark Stone is the most overrated Sens player by a county mile.

Hard to take you seriously after that one

 

[DJB]

Simmonds is definitely not his floor

Well im hoping it will be.

Hes easily the player that Tom Wilson is for sure. Far greater upside to me

 

[Benjamin]

If Tkachuk was swedish we'd be raving about having the best powerforward drafted in years.

 

[Sensinitis]

I watched both in the WJCs and a bit of Tkachuck in college when he played Hughes.

Zadina has decent top speed but poor acceleration. However, he can turn on a dime and has the hands to retain possession while making these turns. Repeat his agility is incredible.

Tkachuk has good skating, when he reaches top speed he looks fluid and effortless but his acceleration also isn't anything to brag about. His agility is decent but no where near the level of Zadinas.

since you have watched them play and i havent what would you change in this description?

You’re out to lunch on the agility part. Their agility is very similar but Zadina just uses his more often. Tkachuk has better top speed and acceleration. There is no aspect in skating in which Zadina beats Brady and yet you seem to be arguing the opposite or close to that.

 

[Sensinitis]

Less than a 30 goal, 60 point power forward.

His floor is high, he's basically guaranteed to be an effective 3rd liner at minimum. His floor is that, a 3rd line 30 point energy guy.

His ceiling is also low, in my opinion. Simmonds is basically what I see as his likely career.

Tkachuk is a Sen, here's hoping he becomes a premiere guy.

Tkachuk has better hands and skating imo. But yeah 25-30 goals and 60 points along with all the other elements he brings would be beautiful.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Less than a 30 goal, 60 point power forward.

His floor is high, he's basically guaranteed to be an effective 3rd liner at minimum. His floor is that, a 3rd line 30 point energy guy.

His ceiling is also low, in my opinion. Simmonds is basically what I see as his likely career.

Tkachuk is a Sen, here's hoping he becomes a premiere guy.

I think his ceiling is similar but a little higher. I also think he has an excellent chance of reaching it. That's enough for me.

 

[BondraTime]

I think his ceiling is similar but a little higher. I also think he has an excellent chance of reaching it. That's enough for me.

More than fair

Not what I want with that pick, and I'm not as optimistic, but that doesn't matter regardless.

 

[Langdon Alger]

8 goals in 40 games concerns me.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Tkachuk has better hands and skating imo. But yeah 25-30 goals and 60 points along with all the other elements he brings would be beautiful.

Thats what we are hoping for .. I don't think we had an 80 pt player as an option there. I am surprised Dobson slipped out of the top 10 .. because he would have been the other option for me.. Maybe I am just more conservative with the picks vs swinging for the fences .. I just don't want to miss and I don't think we will miss with Brady .. He may not be Corey Perry at his best points wise but he will be a good effective consistent player that will be a pain to play against and will get his share of dirty goals while making some pretty slick plays...

In that Dorion/Mann interview .. Mann said that Tkachuk didn't have a C.. they had Greenway playing C and he is a winger.. Tkachuk had to be the playmaker on the line.. I think he led his team in assists.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

You’re out to lunch on the agility part. Their agility is very similar but Zadina just uses his more often. Tkachuk has better top speed and acceleration. There is no aspect in skating in which Zadina beats Brady and yet you seem to be arguing the opposite or close to that.

lol brady would use this agility if he could. the reality is that he doesn't have the agility to use it like Zadina does