Post-Game Talk: 4/1: AV returns to Vancouver (McDonagh injury "not serious")

[aufheben]

Is physicality not the primary reason for injuries?

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Why are we talking about a team that hasn't won anything? This is the New York rangers board...not canucks

Because Rangers fans want to believe real bad that #tuffness is the most important thing in the world. I'm not saying it doesn't have its place, but actual skill is way more important. Good offense and good defense doesn't have to be in the shape of physicality. There's nothing wrong with being a good skating, passing, and positional team.

 

[aufheben]

Because Rangers fans want to believe real bad that #tuffness is the most important thing in the world. I'm not saying it doesn't have its place, but actual skill is way more important. Good offense and good defense doesn't have to be in the shape of physicality. There's nothing wrong with being a good skating, passing, and positional team.

I don't think it's hugely important. I think it can give you an edge, that's all. Of course at the end of the day goals are what matters, but this is one of the most violent sports in the world.

To act like it doesn't matter is frankly just as ridiculous as implying that it's all-encompassing.

 

[NYRCSKA*]

Boston didn't win the cup because Vancouver wasn't tough. A 2 year old could have scored on Luongo in that series. He was flat out awful after game 2. Come on people. Luongo is the reason why the Casucks lost.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Is physicality not the primary reason for injuries?

He said that they had most of their injuries BEFORE the finals. Also, I do enjoy the fact that you love to trumpet toughness so much that you're praising the Bruins for injuring the Canucks. Not saying it was dirty, but being like "yeah the Bruins injured your team and won the cup because of it" doesn't sit well with me. If you can't outplay them, take out half their roster. As I said, I guess that's practical. Nobody remembers or cares how many players were injured on the Canucks.

 

[Pizza]

That. Is. Awesome. News.

So worried last night, watching McD go down. Hes my favorite player and he means so much to the team. This might be a good thing. Hopefully AV will sit him a game or two and he'll recharge the tank a little bit (not that he needs it from what ive heard).

What is the latest. Thanks guys.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I don't think it's hugely important. I think it can give you an edge, that's all. Of course at the end of the day goals are what matters, but this is one of the most violent sports in the world.

To act like it doesn't matter is frankly just as ridiculous as implying that it's all-encompassing.

All things being equal I'd take the more physical team, how often are all things equal?

 

[mrmyheadhurts]

A healthy Canucks team and a half decent Luongo (Im talking slightly better than a traffic cone) would have beat the Bruinds.

I really do believe that too. Even Cherelli admitted they got a bit fortunate in that department. I mean, the Bruins had an injured Bergeron last year and couldn't even get it to seven games. Canucks were just decimated but a lot of it is their own fault, if they had taken care of business in the first round when they had a 3-0 series lead they probably would've been much healthier by the Finals. Sharks were also very beaten up, it was a big reason the Canucks got past them so easily.

Staying healthy, especially your key players, is huge when it comes to winning the Cup.

Anyway, like I said, unless you consider post whistle garbage toughness, the Bruins in no way intimidated or bullied the Canucks. The Canucks actually had more hits that series.

 

[aufheben]

He said that they had most of their injuries BEFORE the finals. Also, I do enjoy the fact that you love to trumpet toughness so much that you're praising the Bruins for injuring the Canucks. Not saying it was dirty, but being like "yeah the Bruins injured your team and won the cup because of it" doesn't sit well with me. If you can't outplay them, take out half their roster. As I said, I guess that's practical. Nobody remembers or cares how many players were injured on the Canucks.

This is a lot of words to avoid the question.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Oh no...Brooks wrote that?

The Post has been told the 24-year-old defenseman, who has played in 246 of 248 games since joining the Blueshirts midway through the 2010-11 season, did not suffer structural damage — nor either a separation or dislocation — as a result of the hit that came from the blindside with 43.8 seconds remaining and McDonagh vulnerable after first being ridden against the back wall from the left side by Zack Kassian.

http://nypost.com/2014/04/02/rangers-mcdonagh-has-no-structural-damage-to-shoulder/

The guy you quoted chose to leave that part out

Doesn't sound like he got hurt all that bad. Rangers are tight lipped when it comes to stuff like this so its no surprise that they didn't put a time table on McD's return.

 

[aufheben]

All things being equal I'd take the more physical team, how often are all things equal?

In the playoffs? More often than not...

 

[SnowblindNYR]

This is a lot of words to avoid the question.

He said most of the injuries came before the finals. And are you condoning a team injuring the other team because they can't compete when the 2 rosters are healthy?

 

[Haanz]

Thanks man. I'm incredibly impressed by the Flyers lately. They go toe to toe with the best and lose in skills competitions. I think the Bruins are great but overrated. The Flyers just put up 52 shots on them. We put up 40+ shots on them twice. To me like they're like if you took a truly elite team and put 11-12 Lundqvist on them. Rask is THE difference with that team. I think that if the Flyers play them they could beat them. I think if the Rangers play the Flyers, even healthy, they need home ice. The Flyers are just a different team at home and on the road.

I'm not entirely sold on Boston either. Their D is very green and Chara seems to have lost a step. Top to bottom, I think the Rangers' D is the best in the league. Now that Hank seems to have regained his form, I see you guys making serious noise in the playoffs

 

[mrmyheadhurts]

Is physicality not the primary reason for injuries?

Yes, but in the Canucks case it was a cumulative effect from previous rounds and not anything that the Bruins actually did. I mean, Hamhuis knocked himself out of the series by throwing a hip check on Lucic.

 

[aufheben]

He said most of the injuries came before the finals. And are you condoning a team injuring the other team because they can't compete when the 2 rosters are healthy?

I know what he said.

 

[AHB*]

http://nypost.com/2014/04/02/rangers-mcdonagh-has-no-structural-damage-to-shoulder/

The guy you quoted chose to leave that part out

Doesn't sound like he got hurt all that bad. Rangers are tight lipped when it comes to stuff like this so its no surprise that they didn't put a time table on McD's return.

I didn't choose to leave that part out and I don't see how anyone is laughing over this. I was merely asking a question with the assumption people are following the situation a little closer then I.

This is the part I was referring to. Which, like it or not, is quite serious.

McDonagh, who crumpled in pain and remained on the ice for approximately 30 seconds before skating to the locker room under his own power, will be sidelined for an indefinite period of time. It is unclear whether he will miss any time in the playoffs that would begin in two weeks, on either April 16 or 17.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I'm not entirely sold on Boston either. Their D is very green and Chara seems to have lost a step. Top to bottom, I think the Rangers' D is the best in the league. Now that Hank seems to have regained his form, I see you guys making serious noise in the playoffs

I don't know what to think of the Rangers' D. They look ultra elite for 10 games, then look like **** for like 5 games and then great again, **** again. I don't know if you saw the game yesterday but the Canucks gave us fits. The Calgary game was even worse. Then again the Blues looked like a pee wee team against the Flyers. I feel like when the Rangers have an elite player like Girioux to focus on they can look fantastic. Sometimes when they don't, their heads aren't in it or something.

 

[mrmyheadhurts]

Why are we talking about a team that hasn't won anything? This is the New York rangers board...not canucks

Sorry, didn't mean to derail, just an interesting discussion point about toughness or perceived toughness and it's effect. Don't remember who brought it up the Canucks but I though you might appreciate a Canuck fans perspective.

Good luck in the playoffs, I'm an AV fan and will be wishing the Rangers the best.

 

[ponzu4u]

Yes, I know Boston won that series. The point was that for however "tough" that Bruins team was, none of it stopped Burrows or Lapierre from playing a "dirty" game and taking runs at the Bruins stars, throughout the series.

The truth is, Burrows makes that hit 9 times out of 10, completely regardless of how "tough" the opposing team is. In fact, I'd almost be willing to say he's more likely to throw that kind of hit in the type of fiesty, physical game some of you seem to wish the Rangers had played.

Also in response to another post, yes, clearly the Girardi hit on Hansen was before the Burrows hit, considering the Burrows hit happened with like, 5 seconds left in the game. I was just pointing out that in a game that most people seem to be classifying as one in which the Rangers tucked their tails and hid from physicality, there was a crystal clear example of the exact opposite that happened in the 2nd period.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Sorry, didn't mean to derail, just an interesting discussion point about toughness or perceived toughness and it's effect.

Good luck in the playoffs, I'm an AV fan and will be wishing the Rangers the best.

No problem, we talked about it before you get there. Thanks. Sometimes people just find the need to be rude to other teams' fans. I think it's an interesting discussion.

 

[Burnaby_Joe*]

I really do believe that too. Even Cherelli admitted they got a bit fortunate in that department. I mean, the Bruins had an injured Bergeron last year and couldn't even get it to seven games. Canucks were just decimated but a lot of it is their own fault, if they had taken care of business in the first round when they had a 3-0 series lead they probably would've been much healthier by the Finals. Sharks were also very beaten up, it was a big reason the Canucks got past them so easily.

Staying healthy, especially your key players, is huge when it comes to winning the Cup.

Anyway, like I said, unless you consider post whistle garbage toughness, the Bruins in no way intimidated or bullied the Canucks. The Canucks actually had more hits that series.

Yeah, they did.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Yes, but in the Canucks case it was a cumulative effect from previous rounds and not anything that the Bruins actually did. I mean, Hamhuis knocked himself out of the series by throwing a hip check on Lucic.

Clearly if the hip check was harder and tougher he would have been hurt less. Such is the power of toughness it is capable of logical and scientific contradiction. It does not abide by mere laws of physics.

 

[Levitate]

I didn't choose to leave that part out and I don't see how anyone is laughing over this. I was merely asking a question with the assumption people are following the situation a little closer then I.

This is the part I was referring to. Which, like it or not, is quite serious.

It's not really "quite serious" because it's Brooks adding his own twist to the information.

McDonagh is "out indefinitely" because the Rangers dont' want to put a number on how many games he could miss, if any. The bit about the playoffs is just Brooks piling onto that and saying "and we don't know if he might misst he playoffs!!!!!!" which doesn't point to any kind of information of that nature, just stating the blatantly obvious that if the statement is "out indefinitely" then you dont' know how long that might be. Could be 1 game, could be zero games, could be the rest of the games, who knwos?

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

Toews out for the rest of the regular season... not a good week for superstars

 

[Fitzy]

I don't understand the dichotomy of opinions here. You don't want to dress 2 full lines of goons, and it's also not a good idea to dress a full roster full of squirts. A functional workforce has blue and white collar laborers, not 100% of either. It's not an absolute either way.