Post-Game Talk: #33 - 12/16/19 | predators @ RANGERS

[The S5]

And what would an enforcer do against Ellis, Fabbro or Elkholm?

Nothing.

Why?

Because we wouldn't be able to have them on the ice against any of those guys without getting killed, especially in a tight game in 2019.

If you want the Rangers to stick up for themselves, I get that. And there are plenty of guys who are more than capable of dropping the gloves with Ellis, Fabbro or Elkhom. This isn't an enforcer issue though.

I agree that the traditional enforcer is a dinosaur, but lets get a guy who can strike some fear into an opponent while still being able to play a fourth line role.

 

[Machinehead]

Are you serious? Stick to the computer stuff.

I asked you a question.

Are you hurling insults because you don't have an answer?

 

[The S5]

I asked you a question.

Are you hurling insults because you don't have an answer?

Sometimes a fight can galvanize a team. Sometimes the fight doesn't have to be against the offender, for instance Ellis. Does it always result in a win, of course not, but in the long run, it helps teams form an identity and makes them tougher to play against.

 

[Machinehead]

Sometimes a fight can galvanize a team. Sometimes the fight doesn't have to be against the offender, for instance Ellis. Does it always result in a win, of course not, but in the long run, it helps teams form an identity and makes them tougher to play against.

The other team doesn't have to fight.

 

[Machinehead]

We have Brendan Lemieux and everyone is happy to have him.

If you want one that's just a little bit bigger, I really don't see the point.

 

[The S5]

We have Brendan Lemieux and everyone is happy to have him.

If you want one that's just a little bit bigger, I really don't see the point.

Lemieux has been great, and he plays more of the pest role. I am suggesting we try to acquire/develop a guy who is a heavy weight and can play in place of a guy like McKegg or Smith.
I realize these guys don't grow on trees and every coach in the league wishes they had one.

 

[Machinehead]

Lemieux has been great, and he plays more of the pest role. I am suggesting we try to acquire/develop a guy who is a heavy weight and can play in place of a guy like McKegg or Smith.
I realize these guys don't grow on trees and every coach in the league wishes they had one.

There's exactly three in the NHL and two of them are barely 4th liners.

 

[Larrybiv]

Players don't score on every chance. Buch is a 50 pt player, at least. He does other good things as well. I don't understand the antipathy for this guy.

He is and probably be a consistent 50. Thing is, subtract the flubbing and become adept at putting the puck in just a bit more, then we have a winner! He wants badly to be a playmaker.......no wonder he doesnt smile when he scores, he wanted the assist instead.

 

[Larrybiv]

Lemieux has been great, and he plays more of the pest role. I am suggesting we try to acquire/develop a guy who is a heavy weight and can play in place of a guy like McKegg or Smith.
I realize these guys don't grow on trees and every coach in the league wishes they had one.

Then we will complain that the 4th line is a joke "because of" such player. Oh wait......already is.

 

[ohbaby]

Changing lines combo's after every loss has got to stop. We haven't had the same lines for three straight games in over a month. How could placing forwards in unfamiliar positions, be a benefit for the team. I never understood that. Especially long time left wingers on the right and right wingers on the left. Moving a winger up or down the line up is fine,... but please not out of position.

 

[Maximus]

Changing lines combo's after every loss has got to stop. We haven't had the same lines for three straight games in over a month. How could placing forwards in unfamiliar positions, be a benefit for the team. I never understood that. Especially long time left wingers on the right and right wingers on the left. Moving a winger up or down the line up is fine,... but please not out of position.

Well said and couldn't agree more with you. Oh and how bout this novel idea and quit being cute and play Panarin on the off wing instead of Kakko who doesn't even want to shoot it on the PP and would rather pass it for christs sake so we can take advantage of Breads one timer which tho it isn't Ovechkin, it's pretty damn lethal.

I don't care if Bread requested to not play on the off wing as someone in here said he told Quinn. Whether or not it's true or not, Quinn needs to make an executive decision and make the obvious decision and put Panarin in the best place to do damage which is on the off wing on the PP...enough of this BS!!

 

[Larrybiv]

Completely disagree. When the refs decide to let the game get out of control, the team needs to take the game into its own hands. It sets the tone that they are not a team that will let other teams take liberties with their players.
We have a lot of young skilled players who can get taken advantage of by bigger, more physical teams. We need a couple of players who are willing to make other teams answer the bell when they get out of line.

Surely does and then gets known throughout the league. Does anyone think that Boston would have allowed Ellis to get away with that? Surely not.
What I dont agree with is "getting" a few players.......I prefer the team unification thing......strength in numbers. Smith has done a remarkable job in what he is asked to do......but, HE should have been told to head hunt a little (or anyone for that matter)......even at the risk of losing.
Lose the battle, but win the war.
The league has to know they cannot get away with that, if the refs screw up. Right now, they don't.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

Changing lines combo's after every loss has got to stop. We haven't had the same lines for three straight games in over a month. How could placing forwards in unfamiliar positions, be a benefit for the team. I never understood that. Especially long time left wingers on the right and right wingers on the left. Moving a winger up or down the line up is fine,... but please not out of position.

Agreed....not only is it counterproductive, it doesn't allow players to develop that elusive "chemistry" everyone is seeking. Anyone notice that most teams' have at least 2 lines that have been intact for long periods of time?

 

[leetch99]

There's exactly three in the NHL and two of them are barely 4th liners.

Ross Johnston was /is on Isle 1st line quite recently . Not sure where Reaves/MacDermid play . I assume Wilson is over and above this conversation despite still being a goon ? Kassian also a hitman and first liner . There are a few around still playing and providing needed muscle and snarl despite what some say . Last time I looked teams with the above all doing rather OK with most of these guys in most games with MacDermid being the odd one out...

 

[romba]

Dont know if this was said already (didnt read everything) but, does anyone agree with me in that it shouldnt have been taken for granted that Panarin's "apparent" goal wasn't?

Mika is my fave......but he skated right past that puck on the goal line. True he was roughed up in the interim. He thought it was in (like everyone did) did the light go on? Premature celebrating.....made him think that?

Many times I have seen players put the puck in a "2nd time" just in case.......haven't you? Maybe a case where Nashville would have been pissed and thought we were rubbing it in?

Fox was the only one that went after it when he realized it "might not have been in", as there was no indication from refs and no whistle blown. It was a blown opp. and a really screwed up scenario, on a night where we were robbed of 2 pts. IMO.

Great point. In this case I think the goalie's reaction 'ah damn it went in!' set the Rangers up to assume it went in, and then instinctually no one wants to raise any doubts in the Ref's mind. With replay though, until you see it past the line or the net moving from the puck hitting the back of it, put it the f*** back in lol

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Agreed....not only is it counterproductive, it doesn't allow players to develop that elusive "chemistry" everyone is seeking. Anyone notice that most teams' have at least 2 lines that have been intact for long periods of time?

Kakko and Buch have been given a ton of opportunity to fill the rw slots on the top two lines but neither has been good enough to warrant a spot there so now we have a center and a lw playing rw in our top 6, Quinn I'm sure would rather not have to do that. Those two guys are forcing Quinn to make lines he would rather not have to make. Personally I felt Kakko should have stayed with Lemieux on the 3rd line as he was starting to play better there but everyone wanted to force him into the top 6. For me the Panarin strome Fast line was playing well when Mika was out why not just go back to that. I'm not a huge fan of Fast in the top six but it was effective so why not.

Panarin Strome Fast
Kreider Zibanajad Buchnevich
Lemieux Chytil Kakko
Smith Howden Mckegg

 

[romba]

The other team doesn't have to fight.

It's the mentality they're looking for. Don't push us around, we push back harder. If the other team doesn't answer the bell fighting, np, crunch them into the boards a few more times and they'll probably be more interested then. Really, had Rangers responded properly and Lemieux wasn't neutered by the Refs I don't think ppl would be clamoring for more fights and enforcers.

 

[Hire Sather]

Lemieux has been great, and he plays more of the pest role. I am suggesting we try to acquire/develop a guy who is a heavy weight and can play in place of a guy like McKegg or Smith.
I realize these guys don't grow on trees and every coach in the league wishes they had one.

So instead of having a player in a pest role providing actual value, you want a "heavyweight" who can oalf around begging the other team for fights.

I hope my coach doesn't want one.

 

[Hire Sather]

I agree that the traditional enforcer is a dinosaur, but lets get a guy who can strike some fear into an opponent while still being able to play a fourth line role.

Teams don't skate around in "fear" of anyone.

It's not going to stop the Tom Wilson's from throwing cheapshots, or stop any player from assaulting Jesper Fast if that's what they want to do.

 

[romba]

Teams don't skate around in "fear" of anyone.

It's not going to stop the Tom Wilson's from throwing cheapshots, or stop any player from assaulting Jesper Fast if that's what they want to do.

Supposed to be the Refs job. But we time machined our way back to the good ol' 70's apparently.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

Supposed to be the Refs job. But we time machined our way back to the good ol' 70's apparently.

I remember the 70s....those guys wouldn't allow .000000000000000000001% of the crap going on today without some form of retaliation.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

Kakko and Buch have been given a ton of opportunity to fill the rw slots on the top two lines but neither has been good enough to warrant a spot there so now we have a center and a lw playing rw in our top 6, Quinn I'm sure would rather not have to do that. Those two guys are forcing Quinn to make lines he would rather not have to make. Personally I felt Kakko should have stayed with Lemieux on the 3rd line as he was starting to play better there but everyone wanted to force him into the top 6. For me the Panarin strome Fast line was playing well when Mika was out why not just go back to that. I'm not a huge fan of Fast in the top six but it was effective so why not.

Panarin Strome Fast
Kreider Zibanajad Buchnevich
Lemieux Chytil Kakko
Smith Howden Mckegg

I've never been able to figure out why they break up the lines that are actually working.

 

[romba]

I remember the 70s....those guys wouldn't allow .000000000000000000001% of the crap going on today without some form of retaliation.

Yea, had no choice back then because that's how the game was reffed. You could actually be killed on the ice if you didn't stand up for yourself lol

 

[The S5]

So instead of having a player in a pest role providing actual value, you want a "heavyweight" who can oalf around begging the other team for fights.

I hope my coach doesn't want one.

You should read what I wrote before commenting.

 

[The S5]

Teams don't skate around in "fear" of anyone.

It's not going to stop the Tom Wilson's from throwing cheapshots, or stop any player from assaulting Jesper Fast if that's what they want to do.

Maybe not fear, but they are absolutely aware that they will have to answer the bell if they step over the line. If you don't understand that concept, I really don't know what to tell you.