Weltschmerz
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Proposal: 3-way trade between CGY, TOR, WSH
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Aashir Mallik
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FerrisRox
"Wanna go, Prettyboy?"
FerrisRox
"Wanna go, Prettyboy?"
In what world is McMichael a "waiver type forward?"
I have now revised the trade after hearing your thoughts, i do appreciate constructive feedback instead of slanter. Do people expect Andersson to re-sign in CGY with the Weegar extension? Is Weegar no1 or Andersson?
Sorry, I've changed the proposal now, but that money the take on (500k) is offset by sending down someone to the minors as they get two players for basically the same money.
I actually think it's time for them to sort things out with the youth coming in. This offseason sped up their rebuild a lot and they will be one of the teams to beat in the east with Marner on as well. Marner is in the same agegroup as Strome, Dubois, Chychrun, Wilson, Roy who will be the core moving forward after next year. Wilson and maybe Vrana/Carlson (if they re-sign) will be the only ones left from when they won the cup in 2018. They now have center depth but they dont have that go-to pointproducing forward.
I'm actually a Caps fan but didnt want to be a "homer", I've changed the deal after reading everyones opinions.
Haggins is a player they can build around. It’s all but guaranteed Washington’s 1st is a top 5 pick. I think this is terrible for Washington and meh for Toronto.
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Highly, highly doubt that Washington ends up as one of the 5 worst teams in the NHL. Just off the top of my head San Jose, Montreal, Chicago, Pittsburgh, Columbus, and Philly are worse.
Lots of moving parts, more than one of which is a pending UFA or has one more year. Not easy to figure out value. Many of these guys are ready to move on from one city to another, without trades.
Except, of course, everything that Washington is giving up. From the Caps' point of view, they are trading away a good young forward who is now breaking out and has his whole career ahead of him, in McMichael, along with a first round pick that figures to be in the range of 13th to 18th overall. That is a lot of value in quality futures.
In exchange, they pick up a guy who is a pending UFA, who they have no reason to think wants to re-up with them. That is completely insane.
If your trade is predicated on the idea of such and such a player re-signing, as part of the deal, then say so in the original proposal. Otherwise, it's a roll of the dice for a guy whose contract is about to expire.
The Caps aren't even that good. They're making the second round, at best. Why are they acting like buyers? This is nonsense. This is a retool/rebuild that hasn't finished, not by a long shot.
Except, of course, everything that Washington is giving up. From the Caps' point of view, they are trading away a good young forward who is now breaking out and has his whole career ahead of him, in McMichael, along with a first round pick that figures to be in the range of 13th to 18th overall. That is a lot of value in quality futures.
In exchange, they pick up a guy who is a pending UFA, who they have no reason to think wants to re-up with them. That is completely insane.
If your trade is predicated on the idea of such and such a player re-signing, as part of the deal, then say so in the original proposal. Otherwise, it's a roll of the dice for a guy whose contract is about to expire.
The Caps aren't even that good. They're making the second round, at best. Why are they acting like buyers? This is nonsense. This is a retool/rebuild that hasn't finished, not by a long shot.
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Regarding the Caps, I think you're sleeping on where they are in the rebuild. Next year Backstrom and Oshie come off the books, that's 14,95M. The year after that it's Ovie and Carlson which is another 17,5M. I think they've made it clear they aren't in a "selling off" rebuild which means they have to go get the pieces they want instead of going the draft-route. Marner fits perfect in line with what they've been doing lately. Buying low on players in his age. Strome, Milano, Dubois, Chychrun, Mangiapane, Vrana have in total cost them a whopping Nick Jensen, a 2nd, a 3rd and Darcy Kuemper. Marner is a level above those, a 100 pt-player isnt available very often and he wouldn't be availible if he wasn't on his last year of his contract. Caps are deep down the middle right now with both McMichael and Protas playing on the wing. They'll also have Mirosnichenko and Leonard on the roster on ELC's at the start of next year at the latest.
Ovechkin-Strome-Marner
Protas-Dubois-Wilson
Mirosnichenko-Lapierre-Leonard
Duhaime-Dowd-Raddysh
Fair point regarding the extensions, i'll add that in the proposal.
Regarding the Caps, I think you're sleeping on where they are in the rebuild. Next year Backstrom and Oshie come off the books, that's 14,95M. The year after that it's Ovie and Carlson which is another 17,5M. I think they've made it clear they aren't in a "selling off" rebuild which means they have to go get the pieces they want instead of going the draft-route. Marner fits perfect in line with what they've been doing lately. Buying low on players in his age. Strome, Milano, Dubois, Chychrun, Mangiapane, Vrana have in total cost them a whopping Nick Jensen, a 2nd, a 3rd and Darcy Kuemper. Marner is a level above those, a 100 pt-player isnt available very often and he wouldn't be availible if he wasn't on his last year of his contract. Caps are deep down the middle right now with both McMichael and Protas playing on the wing. They'll also have Mirosnichenko and Leonard on the roster on ELC's at the start of next year at the latest.
Ovechkin-Strome-Marner
Protas-Dubois-Wilson
Mirosnichenko-Lapierre-Leonard
Duhaime-Dowd-Raddysh
DFF
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Nah, it’s fine if the pick is not protected
Lottery pick, a decent young center and a young dman is ok for Andersson. Not great but it is not shit. How much more do you think they can get for him?
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Just ahead of Huberdeau by 1. A guy who wouldn't be claimed on waivers. It was obviously hyperbole, but let's not get it twisted, we're still talking a 25 even strength point career high guy who was -20 last year in a sheltered role. You don't get Andersson for that.
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An Oilers fan wants them to make the playoffs and lose in game 7….actually, that‘s every hockey fan…
colchar
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Nanuuk
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Ok with a bit of tinkering, what say you to this?
Toronto receives:
Andrew Mangiapane (5,8M x1yr UFA)
Rasmus Andersson (4,6M x2yr UFA)
Washington receives:
Mitch Marner (10,903 x1yr UFA)
Calgary receives:
Protas, Aliaksei (3.75M x5yr UFA)
Leafs 1st 2026
Caps 1st 2025
Of course then Toronto gets the shaft.
Toronto receives:
Andrew Mangiapane (5,8M x1yr UFA)
Rasmus Andersson (4,6M x2yr UFA)
Washington receives:
Mitch Marner (10,903 x1yr UFA)
Calgary receives:
Protas, Aliaksei (3.75M x5yr UFA)
Leafs 1st 2026
Caps 1st 2025
Of course then Toronto gets the shaft.
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I’m ok with as a Caps fan, even though that contract will be a steal for many of those years Protas has left. He’s a really solid middle-6 2-way player with size that can skate and on a great contract. But he will probably not produce as many points as McMichael will in his prime.
But I guess Toronto fans might have a different opinion of what’s fair?
MakeCgyGreatAgain
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That reply was before the original poster changed the proposal. If you saw the original proposal you’d understand why the Flames got screwed. It was extremely bad.
Sorry meant to quote DFFs comment on viper
Sorry meant to quote DFFs comment on viper
Ledge And Dairy
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Have you watched one of their games yet? They’re definitely down in the muck with the other teams you mentioned.
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If Calgary trades Andersson it won’t be a 3-way trade as IMO that dilutes the value for Calgary. The only way a third party is included is if salary retention is an issue.
