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Post-Game Talk: #3 - 10/07/18 | RANGERS @ hurricanes | 5:00 - MSG

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Bleed Ranger Blue said:
How long before this all becomes Quinn’s fault? I mean, coach bashing is sort of your thing so just checking to see if 3 games is enough.
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Coach is in charge for the players, lines and system he plays. So I guess its his fault every single game?
 
offdacrossbar said:
the elephant in the room is marc staal.

lets be honest, dressing 7 d is deferring to marc staal. the alternative is sitting him. he was named an A and hes a lifer here. theres a respect thing working and its going to hurt us or help us (if you believe in the tank). until he has a nightmare game or 2 and his numbers show him to be deficient, this is how its gonna play out.

staals an anchor on that defense and not in a good way. he will block someone. hes a lefty shot, so someones gonna sit when he plays. i pity the partner who is paired with him. he'll likely get his ticket to the bench just by being his partner.

smith needs to play
skjeis gonna play

the other 4 who dressed are all R shot and honestly should all be playing ahead of #18

it comes down to this, sit staal or dress 7 and then do what quinn did. sit the guy who he feels is playing poorly. last game was shatty he had under 8 mins. the rest were all pretty close.


dress 7. play 6. seems to be quinns decision right now.
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While this is what Quinn is doing it makes no sense. Rookies need consistency. Constantly shifting the lineup so that they never know when they will play, who they will partner with, and what ice time to expect is not gonna work.

Let’s just be honest, the defense is beyond terrible and is filled with AHL level talent, including some of the veterans who, if in any other team, would be bottom 2 pair caliber. Brady is the only defensemen I see with this team long term. None of the new rookie d men look anything like he did when he was a rookie.

We can argue who should be dressing but the truth is, it does not matter. None of the guys in question have the talent, speed, hockey IQ or skill set required to stick in the NHL.
 
Edge said:
It’s funny because in 25 some odd games we’ve really seen duality of Ryan Spooner.

When he’s on, you wonder how this guy isn’t a top six mainstay.

When he’s not, you wonder if he has a pulse.

And he’ll drive you nuts as you contemplate how he can so completely represent both aspects.
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I was at charity outing and one of the raffle prizes was a signed Ryan Spooner puck. No one wanted it.
 
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JHS said:
While this is what Quinn is doing it makes no sense. Rookies need consistency. Constantly shifting the lineup so that they never know when they will play, who they will partner with, and what ice time to expect is not gonna work.

Let’s just be honest, the defense is beyond terrible and is filled with AHL level talent, including some of the veterans who, if in any other team, would be bottom 2 pair caliber. Brady is the only defensemen I see with this team long term. None of the new rookie d men look anything like he did when he was a rookie.

We can argue who should be dressing but the truth is, it does not matter. None of the guys in question have the talent, speed, hockey IQ or skill set required to stick in the NHL.
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not true. as a whole, minus marc staal, this defense will be ok once they figure stuff out.

skjei had a tough sophomore season remember that ? and i think hes a stud. but, he did struggle too.

deangelo and pionk both are and will be nhl dmen. no question. will they be norris guys, probably not but.... to say categorically they are both ahl dmen only is untrue.

smith is easily a 2/3 pair guy.
mcquaid 3rd pair
shatty solid 2nd pair guy.

staal should retire.

deangelo has the talent, iq and skills for sure. he lacks size and he makes bad decisions too often. that can be said of any and all players tbh. especially young players with confidence to play with the puck.

pionk will be fine. he needs reps and ice. hes smart and has that nice accurate shot. again, they are young kids.

take a look at the pens defense last year. just for shits and giggles. ranked 12th. not great not bad. average to better than average. good solid team. defense was just ok. that can be us. an ok defense with superior keeper but we need to score goals.

scoring goals is whats wrong with this team. scoring wins. period.
 
I think the 11F/7D is way to overblown. It was game 3. I think he is really trying to evaluate how best to move forward and used this game as some sort of experimentation.

It was absolutely insane the organization and wasn't surprising at all when they got a too many men penalty. That being said, it's too early to worry. If the 11F/7D becomes a consistent model, then I'll start bugging. But as a one off, it can be useful in his evaluation of which players work best together and how to move forward.
 
Embryo said:
did Steve Valiquette just say "****ty" on live tv on the postgame show? anyone catch that?
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He got the okay from msg networks. Its a rebuild, and understood he's a homer therefore expected. Shitty isn't such a bad word considering the circumstances......right?
 
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Kovalev27 said:
If he’s benching 19 year olds for that when he’s dumb enough to go 11/7 with a new team and mess with the lines completey then we are in trouble with the guy we picked. I hope it was for a different reason
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Believe it or not......this is what is most uosetting to me. Not the loss, not even the WAY we played. At game start, I believed that this 11/7 was an accident waiting to happen. U can do this with an established/experienced club. What this team needs is stability, therefore traditional is better. Not like we had 6 great defensemen playing well and having to get our 7th some playing time......easily could have sat anyone other that Brady and ADA.
Also, if he doesn't play the RIGHT personnel, he will lose this team even before he gets it. Losing consistently will hurt players getting behind him, they're tough decisions, but some are easier than others.
 
And please, enough with this Zuccha bashing. This is not the 1st time he has had a rough start. Yes the game is gtting faster, but he has never been especially fast, he is quick minded. Doesnt ANYBODY deserve a little leeway here?
 
Glen Sathers Cigar said:
Thank you. This early in the season we should all as fans be rooting for a win every night.
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I know I do. Losing won't be good for anyone on this team. I choose to go by way of rooting for the Canadiens (uggh) the Sabres and Canucks (and the likes) .......teams that we will most probably vying for position with. Going 1-75-6 doesn't assure us of Hughes or anyone of the likes. I would much prefer watching our boys play well enough/develop some team skills and win at least once a week and eventually we will be in the lottery......but doesn't have to be a season long "hanging".
 
Just a side note, as I don't know where to put it.

Looks like Cyrgalis has been moved over to Isles coverage and Greg Joyce is the new Rongos guy for the Post.
 
Larrybiv said:
And please, enough with this Zuccha bashing. This is not the 1st time he has had a rough start. Yes the game is gtting faster, but he has never been especially fast, he is quick minded. Doesnt ANYBODY deserve a little leeway here?
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Who is bashing him?

Criticizing his play doesn't mean that hes being bashed.
 
I find it's funny that posters are against using 11F / 7D short term setup to accommodate both youth and vets during the development season. The team is not going for SC this year so how this could be an argument?

That being said, I didn't like how Quinn and his staff executed the set up, specifically how they seemed to try running three forward lines rotating Namestnikov and Howden in, as opposed to four lines with another forward slotted there (ex. Kreider in first, Zuke in second, Fast in third). I'd also borrow one thing from AV (blasphemy!) where he'd cut to 3 lines with about 10 min left in the third.
 
Off Sides said:
I think the only reason they can't just play all of Shattenkirk, ADA and Pionk on RD, is because McQuaid would have to move over or they'd have to play Claesson and it would bump Staal out, but in my mind that is pretty much the only thing they are going to end up doing at some point anyway.

Other than that, they can send Pionk down but it still does not solve who plays with Staal, which will probably be ADA.
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I should probably wait to see how this plays out.
 
I thought the 11/7 was a brilliant move. He couldn't have Shatty/Stall not play so ADA could so he just cuts back minutes for whoever was having a bad night (Shattenkirk) just like he did Hayes in the prior game. ADA skates and Shattenkirk gets a clear message. Since it's only the third game, this is the time to do it. Kreider got extra ice time and he scores 2 goals, which boosted Howdens confidence with the assist. They kept the SOG below 30 in the prior games so Quinn didn't in vision his team defensive structure to collapse. It was certainly a wake up call and I'm sure the practices and video review will patch some holes.
 
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nevesis said:
Pretty sure he said SHINNY. Which would make sense...
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In fact, prior to the social media and the western world’s apparent obsession with sensationalizing minutiae, I’ve heard several announcers as well as people in person who were Canadian refer to “shinny”, which is pickup unregulated pond hockey to refer to a uncoordinated profesional team playing “pond hockey”.

Moreover, they were playing shitty, so f*** eveyone on that even if he said Shitty.
 
this is what a rebuild looks like....from an outsiders perspective I think the Rangers invested too much on forwards and not enough on defense. Skjei is your only decent NHL dman...Miller has talent and upside but certainly not a sure thing...they need high end talent and not taking Bouchard/Dobson is going to haunt you for years.
 
offdacrossbar said:
not true. as a whole, minus marc staal, this defense will be ok once they figure stuff out.

skjei had a tough sophomore season remember that ? and i think hes a stud. but, he did struggle too.

deangelo and pionk both are and will be nhl dmen. no question. will they be norris guys, probably not but.... to say categorically they are both ahl dmen only is untrue.

smith is easily a 2/3 pair guy.
mcquaid 3rd pair
shatty solid 2nd pair guy.

staal should retire.

deangelo has the talent, iq and skills for sure. he lacks size and he makes bad decisions too often. that can be said of any and all players tbh. especially young players with confidence to play with the puck.

pionk will be fine. he needs reps and ice. hes smart and has that nice accurate shot. again, they are young kids.

take a look at the pens defense last year. just for ****s and giggles. ranked 12th. not great not bad. average to better than average. good solid team. defense was just ok. that can be us. an ok defense with superior keeper but we need to score goals.

scoring goals is whats wrong with this team. scoring wins. period.
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How can you say DeAngelo has hockey IQ and makes bad decisions with the puck in the same sentence? Seems a bit contradictory. I think DeAngelo will never be able to play defensively well enough to stick in the NHL. He’s a classic example of a guy who will constantly get a chance because his skill set looks good on paper but his defensive liabilities will always reveal themselves. The proof is obvious— he can barely get in this D core every game and this is essentially a trash heap. Pionk was an undrafted player whose small and will become exposed over time.

Brady had a slump but this was largely caused because he was often playing against the other teams first and second lines. Prior to that season he was going against 3rd and 4th lines. That’s a huge difference.

Staal is old and struggling no doubt. Smith has a lot to prove and has already proven he can be lazy and non competative( once that’s in an athlete I believe it is easy to come back.). Shatty can’t even play well enough to get solid ice time competing against the guys he’s currently competing against right now for ice time.

So again, how are any of these guys aside from Brady, part of the long term plan besides hoping Tony turns into something and Pionk maybe makes it as a 6/7 d man?
 
Provorov4Norris said:
this is what a rebuild looks like....from an outsiders perspective I think the Rangers invested too much on forwards and not enough on defense. Skjei is your only decent NHL dman...Miller has talent and upside but certainly not a sure thing...they need high end talent and not taking Bouchard/Dobson is going to haunt you for years.
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Ehhh, I doubt that’ll haunt them. It seems like they’re leaning toward acquiring a whole bunch of everything and then use the excess stuff in trades (or even free agency) to fill in the holes
 
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