24/25 Waivers/Rumors/TDL Thread.

[redwingsfannn9191]

Unless the Wings just bomb out the rest of the way to the deadline I don't see them selling. I don't see Kane being traded period. I don't think he is desperate to chase a cup, and I think he has a NMC. It'd also be too big a blow to the guys, even though I question his fit sometimes.

Tank could be dealt but I don't consider that selling as he just hasn't fit well with the team. Clearing his spot for next season and maybe gaining a bit of cap space would be solids for this year.

If we sell I would anticipate it to be Veleno, Chiarot, Fischer, and possibly Gus (I doubt they'd deal Chia and him at once). Lyon or Talbot could also be maybes. If Talbot were dealt I'd anticipate them resigning Lyon prior.

I mostly agree with your response about the Berg & a 1st for Cozens deal. The only wrench could have been the difference between a protected and unprotected 1st. I could see Stevie having been hesitant to deal a 1st that might have been top 10 prior to Todd's hiring. Now the deal may not appeal to Buffalo as our 1st is currently looking at being a much more mid round pick.

Ya I don't see kane being mover either unless we lose a bunch now and he decides to move on

I agree with the names in play to be moved and can probably include a compher Rasmussen for cap purposes if we made a big deal

I dont think anyone will trade an unprotected 1st for cozens I just think theres 0 chance berggren alone would be enough to entice buffalo + theres cap issues to make the deal work as well

I'd try to send them quantity over quality and hope they bite (probably wont)

1st + berggren+ compher+ wallinder+mazur or plante ... I'd try the first 3-4 pieces first , add a 3rd round pick instead but I'm guessing some young prospect will have to go

I know most fans like the last 2 prospects but we have buchelnikov finnie lombardi nygaard kiiskinen as well and I like they're upside more

 

[Euro Twins]

Ya I don't see kane being mover either unless we lose a bunch now and he decides to move on

I agree with the names in play to be moved and can probably include a compher Rasmussen for cap purposes if we made a big deal

I dont think anyone will trade an unprotected 1st for cozens I just think theres 0 chance berggren alone would be enough to entice buffalo + theres cap issues to make the deal work as well

I'd try to send them quantity over quality and hope they bite (probably wont)

1st + berggren+ compher+ wallinder+mazur or plante ... I'd try the first 3-4 pieces first , add a 3rd round pick instead but I'm guessing some young prospect will have to go

I know most fans like the last 2 prospects but we have buchelnikov finnie lombardi nygaard kiiskinen as well and I like they're upside more

Offload Tarasenko on San Jose or something and you've got the cap space for Cozens. Maybe try and get buffalo to eat at least 1m

 

[Winger98]

Ya I don't see kane being mover either unless we lose a bunch now and he decides to move on

I agree with the names in play to be moved and can probably include a compher Rasmussen for cap purposes if we made a big deal

I dont think anyone will trade an unprotected 1st for cozens I just think theres 0 chance berggren alone would be enough to entice buffalo + theres cap issues to make the deal work as well

I'd try to send them quantity over quality and hope they bite (probably wont)

1st + berggren+ compher+ wallinder+mazur or plante ... I'd try the first 3-4 pieces first , add a 3rd round pick instead but I'm guessing some young prospect will have to go

I know most fans like the last 2 prospects but we have buchelnikov finnie lombardi nygaard kiiskinen as well and I like they're upside more

Byram, Samuelsson, Dahlin, and Power are all lefties in Buffalo. I'm not sure Wally would have much interest to them. If this is reflective of what everyone would offer for Cozens, though, I'm also not sure why they should move him.

Having neither Thompson nor Cozens look like good fits at center has really hurt them.

 

[19 for president]

Just throwing out there that Petry, Tank and Kane have NTCs. Compher, Chiarot, Holl, and Copp all have 10 team NTCs.

I can't see any of these guys outside of maybe Holl being ok going to a cellar team. I'm fairly certain Buffalo is going to be on all of those guys No Trade lists. I don't see Yzerman going full Drury level toxic GMing to force them into waiving either.

 

[redwingsfannn9191]

Just throwing out there that Petry, Tank and Kane have NTCs. Compher, Chiarot, Holl, and Copp all have 10 team NTCs.

I can't see any of these guys outside of maybe Holl being ok going to a cellar team. I'm fairly certain Buffalo is going to be on all of those guys No Trade lists. I don't see Yzerman going full Drury level toxic GMing to force them into waiving either.

Your probably right. Would need a 3rd team ... I would think colorado would take compher back with mittledstat but sabres wouldnt take him

Wed have to find a 3rd team to be involved with

 

[Oddbob]

Just throwing out there that Petry, Tank and Kane have NTCs. Compher, Chiarot, Holl, and Copp all have 10 team NTCs.

I can't see any of these guys outside of maybe Holl being ok going to a cellar team. I'm fairly certain Buffalo is going to be on all of those guys No Trade lists. I don't see Yzerman going full Drury level toxic GMing to force them into waiving either.

Petry isn't going anywhere, as he stinks and is injured well past the deadline. The cap going up makes moving Compher and or Copp not as hard as it was, though that would be a post season move. 10 teams isn't that many as that still leaves another 21 teams a player can go to. You can also get players to waive for certain teams if you can convince them. The only NTC/NMCs that are real issues are half/full ones.

 

[OldnotDeadWings]

Don't expect any of the blockbusters that a lot of people seem to want. They're one injury away from having both Holl and Lagesson in the lineup, and maybe Rafferty as the No.7. That's not something I imagine appeals to them and doesn't need a big trade to prevent happening. Tarasenko perhaps with retention or non-1st round pick for a bottom pair D who can play 15 mins and PK seems feasible to me.

 

[redwingsfannn9191]

Doubt it happens cause both teams are trying to make the playoffs and division rivals but I heard carlo is on the trade block ??? Veteran dman, 6'5

Next year if pellikka comes over ...

Chiarot seider
Edvinsson pellikka
Johansson carlo

That looks like a team getting in the playoffs to me and a few years away of causing serious damage

We'd still have to find seider a longterm d partner unless we believe that can be johansson. I'm not sure if wallinder is waiver exempt or not but maybe we can go with wallinder/tuomisto as the extra dmen and see if anyone stands out

Or use one of them ,keep one down in the ahl .... use wallinder for carlo etc..

Either way carlo can be an option

 

[Chris Langlois]

Doubt it happens cause both teams are trying to make the playoffs and division rivals but I heard carlo is on the trade block ??? Veteran dman, 6'5

Next year if pellikka comes over ...

Chiarot seider
Edvinsson pellikka
Johansson carlo

That looks like a team getting in the playoffs to me and a few years away of causing serious damage

We'd still have to find seider a longterm d partner unless we believe that can be johansson. I'm not sure if wallinder is waiver exempt or not but maybe we can go with wallinder/tuomisto as the extra dmen and see if anyone stands out

Or use one of them ,keep one down in the ahl .... use wallinder for carlo etc..

Either way carlo can be an option

We need to not have chiarot on either of our top 2 pairs next year.

Someone to play with seider and then edvinsson with asp

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Doubt it happens cause both teams are trying to make the playoffs and division rivals but I heard carlo is on the trade block ??? Veteran dman, 6'5

Next year if pellikka comes over ...

Chiarot seider
Edvinsson pellikka
Johansson carlo

That looks like a team getting in the playoffs to me and a few years away of causing serious damage

We'd still have to find seider a longterm d partner unless we believe that can be johansson. I'm not sure if wallinder is waiver exempt or not but maybe we can go with wallinder/tuomisto as the extra dmen and see if anyone stands out

Or use one of them ,keep one down in the ahl .... use wallinder for carlo etc..

Either way carlo can be an option

Boston fans want him dealt. I don't know if that makes a difference.

 

[LongTimeDRWF]

Boston fans want him dealt. I don't know if that makes a difference.

I think barring a miracle in Beantown, the Bruins are pretty much toast. They have 25 games left with only 11 at home, leaving 14 on the road. Their road record is currently 9-15-3 while home is 18-9-3.

They have 7 games after the break before the TDL, 4 at home and 3 on the road, if they cannot make up some ground in the race in their first 3 games (all at home) after the break, they will have a tough climb ahead of them. (8 home games in 22 left)

I don't think they will have a fire-sale, but they will likely look at moving out some some pieces to retool on the fly.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

I think barring a miracle in Beantown, the Bruins are pretty much toast. They have 25 games left with only 11 at home, leaving 14 on the road. Their road record is currently 9-15-3 while home is 18-9-3.

They have 7 games after the break before the TDL, 4 at home and 3 on the road, if they cannot make up some ground in the race in their first 3 games (all at home) after the break, they will have a tough climb ahead of them. (8 home games in 22 left)

I don't think they will have a fire-sale, but they will likely look at moving out some some pieces to retool on the fly.

Agreed.

But in that situation, do you still want to trade for him?

How many teams are ok with trading a large shutdown d-man who's 28, signed to a 4.1 million for a couple years?

I was a fan of his, but the juice isn't worth the squeeze.

 

[LongTimeDRWF]

Agreed.

But in that situation, do you still want to trade for him?

How many teams are ok with trading a large shutdown d-man who's 28, signed to a 4.1 million for a couple years?

I was a fan of his, but the juice isn't worth the squeeze.

Not really interested, unless SY thinks the wings can do some damage in the post season...then maybe if straight up for Holl.

 

[redwingsfannn9191]

Not really interested, unless SY thinks the wings can do some damage in the post season...then maybe if straight up for Holl.

No ones getting carlo for a horrendous 3rd pairing dman lol... anyways cant see us getting carlo since we're a division rival unless we overpay which yzerman wont

We tried to get trouba, I thought a 6'5 physical dman like carlo might fit but I'm sure Bruins would send him to the west

 

[jkutswings]

No ones getting carlo for a horrendous 3rd pairing dman lol... anyways cant see us getting carlo since we're a division rival unless we overpay which yzerman wont

We tried to get trouba, I thought a 6'5 physical dman like carlo might fit but I'm sure Bruins would send him to the west

Boston can send him to San Jose...

...who then flips him to us to finally return those future considerations.

 

[LongTimeDRWF]

No ones getting carlo for a horrendous 3rd pairing dman lol... anyways cant see us getting carlo since we're a division rival unless we overpay which yzerman wont

We tried to get trouba, I thought a 6'5 physical dman like carlo might fit but I'm sure Bruins would send him to the west

As I said, I would not really be interested in getting Carlo, unless he radically improves the line-up for the long term, maybe throw in a prospect or two SY will not be resigning next year too (Viro maybe) but I cannot see Carlo being a long term piece of the puzzle.

Carlo is signed a year longer than Holl, so the enticement for the Bruins would be if they really want Carlo gone, they get back a RHD they can buy out much cheaper than Carlo this summer if they wish to do so.

The wings by the end of next season should have a stable of ELC or similar contracts of homegrown bottom 3 D available to the club. (RHD is shortage, but they have a few lefties that seem be OK on the right, but both ASP (5D and PP) and maybe Tuo (7D) should be on the club by the end of next season.

I am sure the Bruins might get a better deal from San Jose, or the Ducks. The years on his contract past this season will make him hard to move as TDL piece, it will be more of a hockey trade or pure dump, I suspect the Bruins will simply keep him and figure it out in the off-season, unless they get an offer too god to turn down due to an injury... How long is Theodore out for?

 

[lilidk]

Just curious to hear the takes, I think I would but again, curious what you guys think:

Cbj
1st, kasper/danielson, tuomisto/wallinder, + roster player like veleno?

Det
Werenski+3rd? Or no add?

As much as I like Werenski, I don't like to lose both Danielson and Kasper to this trade.

 

[RRhoads]

As much as I like Werenski, I don't like to lose both Danielson and Kasper to this trade.

I think he means one or the other, not both. Same with Tuomisto/Wallinder. That's how I read it.

 

[lilidk]

I see now , but why would Columbus do this.

 

[redwingsfannn9191]

Boston can send him to San Jose...

...who then flips him to us to finally return those future considerations.

And finally future considerations is paid off for once lmao

As I said, I would not really be interested in getting Carlo, unless he radically improves the line-up for the long term, maybe throw in a prospect or two SY will not be resigning next year too (Viro maybe) but I cannot see Carlo being a long term piece of the puzzle.

Carlo is signed a year longer than Holl, so the enticement for the Bruins would be if they really want Carlo gone, they get back a RHD they can buy out much cheaper than Carlo this summer if they wish to do so.

The wings by the end of next season should have a stable of ELC or similar contracts of homegrown bottom 3 D available to the club. (RHD is shortage, but they have a few lefties that seem be OK on the right, but both ASP (5D and PP) and maybe Tuo (7D) should be on the club by the end of next season.

I am sure the Bruins might get a better deal from San Jose, or the Ducks. The years on his contract past this season will make him hard to move as TDL piece, it will be more of a hockey trade or pure dump, I suspect the Bruins will simply keep him and figure it out in the off-season, unless they get an offer too god to turn down due to an injury... How long is Theodore out for?

I'm sure he'll get traded to a better team than someone at the bottom, ducks just got trouba on the right side

I think we can more than afford 2 years of like 4 million for carlo. Holl can be sent to g.r for a year for all I care

 

[LongTimeDRWF]

And finally future considerations is paid off for once lmao


I'm sure he'll get traded to a better team than someone at the bottom, ducks just got trouba on the right side

I think we can more than afford 2 years of like 4 million for carlo. Holl can be sent to g.r for a year for all I care

Fair enough, but I cannot see SY trading for anyone that does not have a higher purpose, there are only two roster spots currently occupied by players "traded for", Debrincat and Petry. Husso would be a third, (if he ess up), this is a very non-traditional roster arrangement, but does imply a philosophy.

I do expect a few more traded for players someday, but I don't think SY is just there yet in his eyes...

My concern with Carlo is not the $4M, it is the roster spot if he is going to be the 3RHD for 2 more seasons after this one, is basically blocking the kids knocking at the door...at least one of Tuo and ASP, possibly both if they do not separate Al-Jo and Ed for next season.

Petry is off the roster after this season, that is a RHD slot that one of ASP/Tuo would likely have next season.

I suspect Holl is a non-factor other than a 7/8 D once things get settled for next year, if he is still on the wings at all, if he is not...things may get interesting.

 

[redwingsfannn9191]

Fair enough, but I cannot see SY trading for anyone that does not have a higher purpose, there are only two roster spots currently occupied by players "traded for", Debrincat and Petry. Husso would be a third, (if he ess up), this is a very non-traditional roster arrangement, but does imply a philosophy.

I do expect a few more traded for players someday, but I don't think SY is just there yet in his eyes...

My concern with Carlo is not the $4M, it is the roster spot if he is going to be the 3RHD for 2 more seasons after this one, is basically blocking the kids knocking at the door...at least one of Tuo and ASP, possibly both if they do not separate Al-Jo and Ed for next season.

Petry is off the roster after this season, that is a RHD slot that one of ASP/Tuo would likely have next season.

I suspect Holl is a non-factor other than a 7/8 D once things get settled for next year, if he is still on the wings at all, if he is not...things may get interesting.

I'm not concerned ... my preference is a left side but yzerman also targeted trouba. If we land carlo Johansson can go back to the left if pellika also makes it

Chiarot seider
Edvinsson pellika
Johansson carlo
Tuomisto can be the 7-8

Get rid of chiarot somehow, even better. I'd so like oleksiak

Chiarot seider
Edvinsson johansson
Oleksiak pellika

We have options and I suspect yzerman will make a move. I'd love Miller but dont think nyr will move him

 

[Euro Twins]

I see now , but why would Columbus do this.

Because they love us

 

[Reddwit]

I know his age isn’t great for our trajectory, but if he makes it to UFA, I’d be happy to see us sign Granlund and make every effort to trade Compher. Granlund is a much better buffer for Danielson/Kasper at 2C than either Copp or Compher. He’d be a great set up guy for Debrincat too.

Ultimately I think he re-signs with Dallas though.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

I'd rather go for Ehlers, who can play LW with a lot of speed, and when Kasper moves back to center he can slot in with Larkin and Raymond or LW on the 2nd line.