This teams schedule the next couple weeks is rough. Not seeing many wins on their schedule this month. Which is good.
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Preach, dawg. We're a bottom 5 team in the league with all the old guys. Who cares if we (somehow) lose even more with the kids. Let them play
Empoleon8771
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I don't see how you're able to move Heinen, Hayes or Acciari at the deadline and I'm skeptical Lizotte would bring back anything to justify moving him. Teams tend to not want bottom-6 players with term that aren't performing well.
Beauvillier and Glass are probably the only depth forwards that would have interest, and Beauvillier is basically guaranteed to be traded. Beyond that, there's pretty much no one else the Penguins could move and you can't just stash them in the AHL due to AHL veteran rules.
Beauvillier and Glass are probably the only depth forwards that would have interest, and Beauvillier is basically guaranteed to be traded. Beyond that, there's pretty much no one else the Penguins could move and you can't just stash them in the AHL due to AHL veteran rules.
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Pretty sure you can send them to the AHL. The veteran rule, I think, just applies to players dressed for a game. Not a limit on the roster.
ChaosAgent
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Rakell will never have more value than right now. It would be a huge blunder not to move him.
Empoleon8771
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You’re correct but sending down a bunch of vets and calling up young guys will result in WBS probably not having enough guys to have a full lineup. They can’t just say replace Poulin and Ponomarev with Acciari and Hayes and be fine.
In the context of “get rid of these veteran bottom-6 guys and play young guys”, they can’t just waive the veterans and call up young guys. Even if they could hypothetically make it work, it’s not practical to do that.
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I'm not against it, I just don't think it happens. My gut says prepare to be disappointed.
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This place is gonna be fun when neither Rakell or EK get traded on Friday lol
Big Friggin Dummy
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Nah, I think you're right. They'll trade him next TDL for like a 3rd or some bullshit when they could've had a 1st+ this week. Nobody loves waiting way too long to make a move like this team does.
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I don't know how you can say this with a straight face. 30 other GMs were sitting around in a drunken stupor at the gluttonous 4Nations gala. Kyle was sweating out the minute details of a very complicated blockbuster trade. Tough crowd.
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They're helping us suck and the next two years is a perfect time to suck, so they're kinda doing a good job in their suckage. Let the young guys cook in the AHL and have some success before they're put in the NHL SullyTM grind of 7 minutes every 3rd game on the 4th line.
If Sully decides he's too good for the NHL and we get a coach that can develop guys, sure bring em up and dump the bottom 6.
AuroraBorealis
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Also if we get out of this deal, we can use his remaining 15 mil on bad contracts for picks.
7M on Hayes netted a 2nd. 2.5M on Glass got a 3rd and 6th.
Hell, if you unload him without retention then you have 5M more you can flex at this deadline.
Whereas if you keep him you're essentially burning that cap for no gain. There's no excuse.
Giving Sid a proper winger during rebuild years is not a valid reason.
Their prospect pool is not good enough for luxuries like that.
OtherThingsILike
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I don't know how much space we'll have for cap-dump players on the roster while also trying to bring some of the kids up to play. Also, with the cap going up as much as it will be in the coming seasons, there won't (or at least, shouldn't) be as many opportunities to take back players like that.
Jag68Sid87
Sullivan gots to go!
That is fine, but that does not mean you can't send down Imama (when healthy), Bemstrom and Shea and call up Ponomarev, Koivunen and Pickering.
Baby steps.
Jag68Sid87
Sullivan gots to go!
Hopefully we are done with taking in bad contracts. As mentioned previously, we are already over the limit on bad contracts and that is what is keeping some of our prospects in the AHL right now.
The pro-trade Rakell and Karlsson crowd want to create roster space by trading our top talent. The con-trade Rakell and Karlsson crowd is suggesting we create the roster space by not bringing in anymore bad contracts and replacing our crappy players with the kids.
The pro-trade Rakell and Karlsson crowd want a full-blown rebuild by bottoming out a la Chicago despite the fact we still have one of the best players in the game and two other legends winding down their careers.
The con-trade Rakell and Karlsson crowd suggest we should keep our good players and dumps our bad players. That is how you retool quickly.
Now, I am against trading Rakell and Karlsson. However, if the Kings are willing to part with Quinton Byfield, then you absolutely try to make that happen. If we are trading these two guys, give me names. I want names. Picks are not enough. We need good young NHL talent.
I agree with all of this. The cries to not trade Rakell astonish me. Between the contract and production, we *could* be sitting on a goldmine with Rakell. Asset management at this stage of the franchise is far more important than being competitive the rest of the season..
Empoleon8771
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That is the exact kind of move this team can't make due to AHL roster rules.
With the veterans bolded, WBS's healthy lineup right now is:
Puustinen-Katchouk-Koivunen
McGroarty-Broz-Hayes
Nieto-Ponomarev-Poulin
Gruden-Koppanen-Johnstone
Kral-Hollowell
Pickering-St. Ivany
Poolman-Renouf
I believe Puustinen counts as the "veteran exempt" player (over 260 but fewer than 320 professional games), so WBS only has the capability of playing 1 more veteran in this lineup. That veteran would most likely be Aho, but I'm not sure if/when he's projected to be healthy again.
All of Shea, Bemstrom and Imama count as AHL veterans, so sending down those 3 and calling up 3 young guys puts WBS in a really bad spot to be able to compete and fill out a roster. Considering where each team is at, they'd be silly to kneecap WBS like that just to play the young guys in some meaningless NHL games after the season is effectively lost.
Friedman on 32 Thoughts: The Podcast today (I only listed to the Penguins related timestamp so could be some other stuff peppered out there, but he said the following:
I would love to see them target Peterka. Trade Rakell for other assets and use some assets to add a 22-YO top-6 W and you've got a massive W at the deadline. Maybe Rakell even interests Buffalo as part of the return, they definitely need veteran proven scorers and he has term.
- Nothing happening with Crosby/Malkin
- Karlsson probably odes not get traded in-season though it's possible. He will be much more tradeable once his bonus is paid in the summer, where he does expect it to happen
- Penguins have asked all year about Buffalo's young NHL guys. Mentioned JJ Peterka by name, says price is high but "he has Penguins" written all over him.
- Dubas has also asked about some of their AHL players that are on the verge of becoming impact NHLers. No names listed.
- Wonders if Acciari gets moved. "He's in the list of those centers available". Sounds like he's valued across the league and the $2M cap hit is seen as very reasonable
I would love to see them target Peterka. Trade Rakell for other assets and use some assets to add a 22-YO top-6 W and you've got a massive W at the deadline. Maybe Rakell even interests Buffalo as part of the return, they definitely need veteran proven scorers and he has term.
CheckingLineCenter
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Rakell 2nd in the NHL for 5v5 goals. I think an offer would have to knock our socks off.
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Empoleon8771
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Peterka would be an absolutely monster addition for the Penguins, but I just can't see any way this team has the assets for him. He's a 23 year old top-6 winger pacing for like 65 points, I don't see any way that Buffalo would entertain moving him. I think you'd probably have to move that Rangers 1st to someone else for a RD or C and then flip that RD/C to Buffalo.
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NHL trades we'd like to see before the deadline: Rantanen moves again, UHC takes big swing
How many more blockbusters will take place before 3 p.m. Friday? Here are six deals we'd love to see.
Thoughts? agree that we should move Raks this year, who knows what the price will be in the summer. I see the argument for both sides business-wise.
Can move these assets for JJ Petts if that gets it done
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