Salary Cap: '24-'25 Salary Thread: Crosbicles Volume MMXXV - Poolman and Poolparty?!?

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It sure looked like Sullivan did not want Puljujarvi to have success, taking any excuse to make his role smaller and smaller, all the way down to AHL. When he played well he was never rewarded with more ice-time or better linemates, and when he played mediocre he was always punished hard. He was not from Boston.
I honestly think the biggest reason that Sullivan didn't like Puljujarvi is he can't pk.

But it's a stupid reason not to like him because with his speed and his stick reach he could have been trained to be a good pker and probably even someone who would be dangerous shorthanded with his speed. The Pens never tried to develop him that way and thus wasted him as a player.
 
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It sure looked like Sullivan did not want Puljujarvi to have success, taking any excuse to make his role smaller and smaller, all the way down to AHL. When he played well he was never rewarded with more ice-time or better linemates, and when he played mediocre he was always punished hard. He was not from Boston.

Where do you think he'll sign for next season?
 
Idea. How bad is Seth Jones, really? Bad bad, or just overpaid a few million. The Pens are going to have loads of cap space, but I'm not sure they'll be able to spend it well in UFA. Marner and Rantanen probably aren't coming to Pittsburgh willingly unless maybe it's on a short term deal with the hopes to cash in on a higher cap later.

What if we dealt Graves to Chicago for Seth Jones? Change of scenery for both. We take on more cap but get a guy who could actually play top four with us.

I'm basically looking for the Pens version of the PLD for Kuemper deal. Take on an overpaid player but dump one that has no future with us for a net win.
Id flip Karlsson for Jones. Karlsson is more easier to trade for immediate assets for them. Pens hope Jones turns it around here. They arent moving Jones for Graves.
 
Sure, load up on dogshit players with bloated contracts. Seth Jones, Darnell Nurse, Huberdeau, Zadorov. Go nuts. Weaponize the cap space and scoop up the draft capital and young players/prospects.

I like Moore, but we're diluting Rakell's value if Moore is the only piece coming back.

IF we decide to trade him, (and that's a big 'if') Rakell will be returning more than a 1st and Moore, especially this offseason when teams get sticker shock from seeing how much UFAs will be going for.

Vancouver also sold low on Miller, whereas we will be selling high on Rakell.

Nope. While we should be trading away many of the vets, we still need some of them. Trading away all of the vets leaves the prospects with nobody to play with. That's how you become Buffalo.
This team's at least three drafts of tanking away from having, best case scenario, two foundational forwards and a foundational defenseman in their organization and ready to build around them toward competing. Rakell's mentorship doesn't f***ing matter, man. :laugh: If you need a veteran presence, you can find somebody via trade or in FA. Sid's still gonna be here another two years after this one. Letang through 2027-28, whether we like it or not. And, y'know, maybe this team will have a coach both capable and willing to work with younger guys by then. Probably not, but maybe.

This team's already Buffalo in terms of the standings and recent results. They're about to be three years removed from a playoff appearance. They haven't won a round since 2018. They're just too proud to admit it, accept it, and start building.

Also, Buffalo's run with such incompetence that it feels intentional. I don't think highly of FSG or Dubas at all, but I gotta imagine they have it together more than Pegula and whatever schlub they've got f***ing up in the Sabres' front office at any given time. :laugh:
 
I don’t see us trading Rust or Rakell. You do that and Sid is on an island, and he’ll be sitting on like 9 goals and a -39 rating by this time next year begging for a trade or a rope.
Sid said he was cool with a rebuild, so why not give it to him? Worst comes to worst, he Hossa’s himself and does something else for the remainder of the contract.
 
Sid said he was cool with a rebuild, so why not give it to him? Worst comes to worst, he Hossa’s himself and does something else for the remainder of the contract.
I think people have a harder time accepting things are done and dusted than the actual players do sometimes. "We need to keep Rakell for his veteran leadership, or Sid's gonna be on an island" I mean, c'mon man. As if this hasn't been a one line team since the B2Bs. :laugh:
 
Just because they trade Rakell or Rust doesn’t mean they won’t try and sign or trade for a couple good scorers to play with Sid next year. Its about collecting assets, but you still have to ice an nhl roster.

I’d still support a marner mega deal if he’d sign here and try to build around him over the next few years, if possible. All while selling off older pieces and flipping those assets or drafting high.
 
On second thought, I think a Rakell for Moore +1st (+ a prospect, like in the deal on the main boards) is actually probably a fair deal for Rakell. I started thinking about what it would take to acquire Moore separately, and it was actually something like what we gave up for Rakell. (2nd + B Prospect). A 1st + 2nd + B prospect (and perhaps another B prospect) is probably a fair deal. I would still rather get a younger version of what Moore is right now and then acquire Moore separately, but on reflection, @Gurglesons and @Empoleon8771 are right about it being a fair deal for Rakell.
 
If you need a veteran presence, you can find somebody via trade or in FA.
You can, but the veteran mentors that you would want to find are pretty close to the ones that we already have.
Sid's still gonna be here another two years after this one. Letang through 2027-28, whether we like it or not.
Yes, but you need more than two. You want at least one veteran mentor on each forward line and defensive pairing. (You could possibly get away with two youngish players on the bottom pairing, but that would be it.)

Think about the veteran mentors that we had for Sid and Geno. Describe those players. Their descriptions are pretty close to the players we have now.
 
I just don't see any reason to chase Marner and try to draw him here aside from the vain, near embarrassing attempt to pretend the team's not cooked. Like, you're probably talking about around, or maybe north of MacKinnon money, and he's absolutely gonna demand a full NMC. For what? Two years of Marner plodding around in this system, for this coach, lowering his value the entire time? I dunno man. Reeks of sad desperation. Then, down the line, you're gonna have this like $13M AAV guy you need to retain on to move, and you've gotta navigate the NMC you've 100% given him to sign. For a 1st and some change? At the cost of almost guaranteeing you sabotage your chances at landing McKenna and Dupont by adding a guy of his talent for a couple years? Nah, no shot.

I don't see why Marner picks this team either. He knows they're donezo, the whole league does except FSG and Dubas. He might like Sid, he might like Dubas, but he knows he's got two years here then he's totally on his own or he's on his way out. Makes way more sense to sign on with a team like San Jose or Chicago, who have building block, franchise guys in place to grow with and work toward competing over the long haul. And he's gonna get a shitload of money/term wherever he ends up.

A few years ago? Like after the Habs play-in or the subsequent Jarry bed shitting against the Isles? Sure, throw the sink at him, see what happens. I think Marner's fantastic, and he gets unfairly trashed in Toronto for being asked to be what he isn't (a franchise building block). But I don't think chasing him makes any sense from either party anymore tbh. Way too much working against what this team should be trying to do; be as bad as possible over the next several years in order to hopefully secure building blocks.
You can, but the veteran mentors that you would want to find are pretty close to the ones that we already have.

Yes, but you need more than two. You want at least one veteran mentor on each forward line and defensive pairing. (You could possibly get away with two youngish players on the bottom pairing, but that would be it.)

Think about the veteran mentors that we had for Sid and Geno. Describe those players. Their descriptions are pretty close to the players we have now.
You're like years ahead of where you should be, dude. This team doesn't have guys to mentor yet. That's the whole f***ing point. :laugh: You're trying to get the guys you need vets to mentor and help ease into the league. This team's not even at that stage yet, but when they get there, finding your random middle 6 guys like Rakell and Rust and all that is the easy part. Hell, by all accounts McG seems to have a lot of leadership qualities to him. By the time this team has a shot to luck into McKenna and Dupont, McG will be 23. He'll have had time to develop and learn from guys like Sid and Geno. Hopefully the same can be said about guys like Broz, Koivunen, Pickering, etc. who will all be around 23-24 if they don't bust out by then. Hopefully the crop of prospects we have now can be the like, Colby Armstrongs and Brooks Orpiks and Ryan Malones of yesteryear to be here and established by the time the big picks come into town.

I dunno. I think you're way too concerned with an easily fixable thing, and years early on your concern to boot. The focus right now should be on being as bad as possible to land those franchise pillars. Then you go about throwing some cash at a Guerin or Rakell or a Rust or a Tiffoli, etc. in FA or via trade to act as mentors for your stable of guys like McKenna, Dupont, Martone, McG and Co.
 
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I don’t see us trading Rust or Rakell. You do that and Sid is on an island, and he’ll be sitting on like 9 goals and a -39 rating by this time next year begging for a trade or a rope.
Just play Crosby and Malkin together next year. They can score some points and not be totally frustrated. Pens are gonna suck anyway, would rather get a couple more 1st rounders for Rakell and Rust for the rebuild.
 
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I don’t see us trading Rust or Rakell. You do that and Sid is on an island, and he’ll be sitting on like 9 goals and a -39 rating by this time next year begging for a trade or a rope.
Good. We'd draft higher, get Sid off the books and get a return.
All W's. We'd unload Rakell and Rust before they regress, and can use their cap to load up the farm more, and improve the odds of this rebuild succeeding.

Also Sid being gone would make them fully commit to doing this right, and would get others who shouldn't be here anymore to leave.

I am 100% for this course. I don't need them to push for 10th in the East next year. Just get 16th and put all of your chips in on the future.
 
Currently 8OA. Looks like the furthest we can get to is 4OA. Doobie needs to make moar trades asap.
 
Currently 8OA. Looks like the furthest we can get to is 4OA. Doobie needs to make moar trades asap.
Yeah no way to out tank Chicago or San Jose. Nashville would need to start winning some games too.

I think we’re looking at picking somewhere between 4-10 unless we get some lottery luck.
 
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Definitely the bottom 3 aren't budging, Seattle has Gourde and Tanev that are UFAs to be sold at the deadline so they might get slightly worse down the stretch. I think top 4 will be hard to crack. Probably more like 6-8 for us.
 

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