Salary Cap: '24-'25 Salary Thread: Crosbicles Volume MMXXV - Poolman and Poolparty?!?

[Lustaf]

One can only hope and pray so much. Have to have a dance partner.

What a terrible terrible signing.

 

[Ugene Magic]

And where do I send the sympathy card to you?

To go whine and piss some more into the wind. No postage necessary.

 

[BillyOcean]

To go whine and piss some more into the wind. No postage necessary.

EVIL LAUGH

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Of course he won't get claimed. Did you forget he was already waived once this season and hasn't exactly proven anyone wrong since then?

Not true. He was placed on a conditioning loan, not waived.

 

[TooManyHumans]

Yet, the other two are just as bad under the same circumstance, so I'll admit nothing because, so far, I'm fricking right.

Blom being the best percentage guy in far less games (8 to 20+) is not some sound qualifier when they all are over 3.0/3.0+ GAA. Jarry at least climb out of is starting 6.0 to lead them all.

This team needs quality not quantity and they are right where they deserve to be. Scratch that, they actually should be bottom 5.

Blomquist (in an obvious small sample size) has the sizeable advantage in advanced metrics, likes goals saved above expected. Jarry's numbers suck no matter what you look at.

 

[SEALBound]

So to play devil's advocate for a moment: Obviously the TJ contract is a disaster. What could the Pens have done differently apart from not signing him?

Looking back on it the goalies that had good seasons since then and got signed that year are:

Cam Talbot
Dave Rittich

Unless I'm missing anything I think that's about it lol. UFA-wise the other big goalie signings like Korpisalo and Jones ended up being terrible.

I guess in retrospect looking back at it the Pens should have gone with a vet on a 1 or 2 year deal and just hoped for the best. Or explored the trade market.


I feel like the number used to be much bigger than that but you're right it's pretty small these days. I feel like in the early-mid 2000s/2010s there was a number of elite or at least good goalies out there.

I think this is where the conversation requires a bit more nuance that "bad signing". At the time, we could all acknowledge that the goalie market was f***ing bleak. So I do get the "well what choice did he have?". I think the criticism should be centered around the term. If the market is bleak and you're unsure if he's earned five years, you offer 2 years max. Things would be fine if it was a 2yr deal.

The solution, in hindsight, would have been signing Neds and resigning CDS and letting them go in tandem. Ideally both on 1yr deals.

I wonder if that is due to perceived value on Jarry. At the time I don't think they wanted to give him away for FC. I'd be curious to know what kind of deals were discussed. Obviously nothing that made Dubas feel it was worth it.

 

[Ugene Magic]

Blomquist (in an obvious small sample size) has the sizeable advantage in advanced metrics, likes goals saved above expected. Jarry's numbers suck no matter what you look at.

His last game up cost him his chance. 3 on 8 shots and a whopping .625 save percentage.

 

[TooManyHumans]

I think this is where the conversation requires a bit more nuance that "bad signing". At the time, we could all acknowledge that the goalie market was f***ing bleak. So I do get the "well what choice did he have?". I think the criticism should be centered around the term. If the market is bleak and you're unsure if he's earned five years, you offer 2 years max. Things would be fine if it was a 2yr deal.

The solution, in hindsight, would have been signing Neds and resigning CDS and letting them go in tandem. Ideally both on 1yr deals.

I wonder if that is due to perceived value on Jarry. At the time I don't think they wanted to give him away for FC. I'd be curious to know what kind of deals were discussed. Obviously nothing that made Dubas feel it was worth it.

My issue was that it seemed like we gave him the high price he should have gotten in order to keep the term down, but gave him the term as well. It was stupid.

 

[Icarium]

He was placed on a conditioning loan, not waived.

Okay, he still won't get claimed.

If he does, I will party like it's 999.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

My issue was that it seemed like we gave him the high price he should have gotten in order to keep the term down, but gave him the term as well. It was stupid.

Also setting the whole situation up like you are being held hostage by a thoroughly mediocre league starter who had never won shit was a decidedly meek and self-defeating thing to do.

"OH NOES LOOK AT THE MARKET GUESS WE HAVE NO CHOICE!"

Boy those millions of dollars this team spends on it's top level decision makers isn't getting much value if that's the extent of their process.

 

[Jacob]

Larsson has been playing better than Blom so I'd like to see him. We also kind of need to get a read on him anyway, NHL-wise.

 

[Darren McCord]

Yet, the other two are just as bad under the same circumstance, so I'll admit nothing because, so far, I'm fricking right.

Blom being the best percentage guy in far less games (8 to 20+) is not some sound qualifier when they all are over 3.0/3.0+ GAA. Jarry at least climb out of is starting 6.0 to lead them all.

This team needs quality not quantity and they are right where they deserve to be. Scratch that, they actually should be bottom 5.

Blomqvist also played against 6 of his 8 games against teams in the top 10.

Was #1
Min #4
Dal #5
Edm #6
Tor #8
Car #9

Jarry has been losing to bottom feeders.

 

[Pancakes]

I think this is where the conversation requires a bit more nuance that "bad signing". At the time, we could all acknowledge that the goalie market was f***ing bleak. So I do get the "well what choice did he have?". I think the criticism should be centered around the term. If the market is bleak and you're unsure if he's earned five years, you offer 2 years max. Things would be fine if it was a 2yr deal.

The solution, in hindsight, would have been signing Neds and resigning CDS and letting them go in tandem. Ideally both on 1yr deals.

I wonder if that is due to perceived value on Jarry. At the time I don't think they wanted to give him away for FC. I'd be curious to know what kind of deals were discussed. Obviously nothing that made Dubas feel it was worth it.

But like I said I don't think you get TJ to re-sign if you only offer him two or three years. People always complain about long year deals in free agency but that's how FA goes. If you don't offer the term/dollars, you don't get the player.

So the choice was probably TJ at the contract we signed him for or signing a stop-gap veteran for a shorter deal/dollar amount who may or may not have worked out better. Or we could have explored the trade market.

But I dont think you get TJ if you don't offer him what he got.

 

[Icarium]

Also setting the whole situation up like you are being held hostage by a thoroughly mediocre league starter who had never won shit was a decidedly meek and self-defeating thing to do.

"OH NOES LOOK AT THE MARKET GUESS WE HAVE NO CHOICE!

Vegas won the Cup with Hill who was like the fifth choice they had that season. Sure, that's an extreme example but you always have a choice. If nothing else the choice to wait for next season, it's not like we would have been a genuine contender if only we had average goaltending anyway.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Vegas won the Cup with Hill who was like the fifth choice they had that season. Sure, that's an extreme example but you always have a choice. If nothing else the choice to wait for next season, it's not like we would have been a genuine contender if only we had average goaltending anyway.

Of course... exactly! Like... what was the reasoning, here? "Hey he made the All Star Game that one time!"

Are you f***ing for real? Just go sign Ned and some journeyman for a season. Shit man... who cares... they JUST got done blowing 6M in cap on two worthless players for the sake of like a 2nd and a 3rd so clearly they aren't TRYING.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I'll stand by that re-signing Jarry was the correct decision in a vacuum, but the contract Dubas gave out was terrible and indefensible.

They should have offered him a 2 or 3 year deal at the AAV he got so that they could get out of it easily if it didn't go well. The Penguins didn't really have any other options but gambling on someone like Cam Talbot on a 1 year deal was infinitely smarter than giving Jarry a 5 year deal.

 

[Ugene Magic]

Blomqvist also played against 6 of his 8 games against teams in the top 10.

Was #1
Min #4
Dal #5
Edm #6
Tor #8
Car #9

Jarry has been losing to bottom feeders.

I'll allow some of this, the Oilers were 2-7 at the time, Toronto was 5 games into the season, but they were 4-1 and the same with Carolina being 3-2. Dallas was like 8-6. Caps were the only top team with term under belt at 10-3.

His only wins were Det, Buf and Washington.

His GAA is the highest of the 3 at 3.60, Ned. at 3.40 and then Jarry at 3.31 from his 6.0 to start off the year.

There's clearly no winner to be had behind this team.

 

[K Fleur]

Today is a great day.

I wish Jarry nothing but shame, frustration, and boredom in the minors.

 

[Gurglesons]

for some reason there is smoke CHI might claim him.

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

for some reason there is smoke CHI might claim them.

I promise I'll take back SOME of the bad things I've said over the years about Toews if they do.

OK no I won't.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

At least they're not afraid to tank.

 

[IcedCapp]

Why are the Penguins waiving a good player instead of waiving the 18 skaters who let him down?

for some reason there is smoke CHI might claim him.

Community service for some of the heinous crimes they’ve allowed to take place

 

[Pancakes]

for some reason there is smoke CHI might claim him.

Damn don't make me like you Chicago. But you know what sounds good.

Why are the Penguins waiving a good player instead of waiving the 18 skaters who let him down?

I hate that this is both funny but also that there's some people who actually unironically think this.

I guess the funniest jokes have some truth to them.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

I guess the funniest jokes have some truth to them.

Joke? What joke? IC only speaks the truth.

 

[IcedCapp]

Damn don't make me like you Chicago. But you know what sounds good.

I hate that this is both funny but also that there's some people who actually unironically think this.

I guess the funniest jokes have some truth to them.

the last two games have been the best two-consecutive games this team has played in probably 50 years, at a time when they needed it if they were going to make the playoffs (which, even if we don't care, the core is certainly trying to do), and a single person turned to jelly (as he ALWAYS HAS) in crunch time.

I generally don't believe in concepts like clutch or momentum, but, if those concepts exist, Jarry is, without a doubt, the most unclutch athlete I have ever witnessed in my many decades on this planet.