Boston Bruins 24-25 Roster/Cap thread XII

[The Storm]

The way I see it, JT Miller was a nice player who's still very capable but has started his descent. He'll be 32 shortly and is getting $8MM per year until 2030. Vancouver is trying to solve their internal problem by shoving the older Miller off while keeping Pettersson. Should they want to do that, you don't help them. Perhaps with them retaining some salary and lowered expectations on return you have a conversation with them. Otherwise, let them stew on it and watch the trade value go down until, and maybe not at all, it's a more fitting/acceptable deal. I would also be more interested, as many others have already mentioned, if EP was the piece being moved. Let Vancouver, still one of our mortal enemies, choke on it.

I agree. JT Miller, due to his age and contract is worth a lot less than Pettersson in a trade.

I would trade Carlo (top 4 D-Man) plus another roster piece for JT Miller. Top 4 D-man for a top 6 Center is pretty fair, but the Bruins would have to add something because there is a salary cap issue as well. Another piece would have to go to Vancouver. Otherwise, pound sand.

Pettersson has a big contract, but he is young and talented. He would set the Bruins up at Center for years to come. Huge salary though, which makes a tougher trade.

 

[Coach Parker]

One thing I don't want to do is start dismissing off moves like Miller, Kreider etc the way fans on this board dismissed off Reinhart, Pavelski, Scheifele, Monahan, Necas, etc. I've been in that boat before and learned my lesson.

We get bored and restless and bored leads to boards where we look for reasons to not spend marginal or dwindling assets on talent.

Anyone else remember refusing to include Joe Morrow in deals? Knight? Spooner?

We all search for flaws but in the end, they teams hoisting the Cups are full of 'reclamation' projects or players that other teams felt had dwindling value while coveting their own prized prospects.

 

[Coach Parker]

I guess each fan has to ask themselves 'how big is this window for the Bruins to contend with Swayman, Marchand, McAvoy, Lindholm and Pastrnak?'

If you think it is coming ahead, plan and pass on talent now.
If you think it is in the next 3-4 years only before the talent ages out, Miller is perfect.
If you think it is the next 8 years, focus on going all in for a guy like Pettersson and all assets are on the table. Use the coming cap flexibility to turn the Lindholm's cap % into an asset when you have a 2nd pairing and 2nd line C making 3rd line percentage-wise salaries.

Push and maintain a positive culture and swing for the fences in free agency to try and lure a 1st line C here.

I agree. JT Miller, due to his age and contract is worth a lot less than Pettersson in a trade.

I would trade Carlo (top 4 D-Man) plus another roster piece for JT Miller. Top 4 D-man for a top 6 Center is pretty fair, but the Bruins would have to add something because there is a salary cap issue as well. Another piece would have to go to Vancouver. Otherwise, pound sand.

Pettersson has a big contract, but he is young and talented. He would set the Bruins up at Center for years to come. Huge salary though, which makes a tougher trade.

Agreed.

If Miller would want to waive for Boston, you get a good price. If not and he'll only waive to New York or nothing, it may force Vancouver management to move the highly coveted Pettersson and get a haul instead of a 'Hall' like return that the Bruins had to send out for Taylor Hall.

 

[Roll 4 Lines]

Love when newbies weigh in

Easy now. We were all newbies once. Everyone has a right to weigh in. Let's not drive posters away, whether they be rookies or veterans.......welcome newbies!

 

[TorontLoL 67]

I find it comical that people think they're gonna trade Lindholm or Zadorov. (Even suggesting back to Vancouver lmao) Legitimately 0% chance either one is happening, they just signed these guys and like it or not they are part of the core.

 

[The don godfather]

Unless the nucks are taking E. Lindholm back, there is no way I'm investing 15 mil into him and Miller until they are both in their late 30s. Sounds like a disaster

I'll keep elias at 7.75 he will turn it around.

 

[Fingertools]

Easy now. We were all newbies once. Everyone has a right to weigh in. Let's not drive posters away, whether they be rookies or veterans.......welcome newbies!

Can never tell when DKH is sarcastic or not (but is ALWAYS entertaining) but if I'm getting dissed thinking that the Lucic and Dougie Hamilton trades that ended up with Frederic (Martin Jones trade), Kuraly, JFK, Lauzon, the 2015 draft debacle and Colin Miller was not imo Sweeney's finest hour I guess I'll have to live with it - and I'll stop posting so DKH will be happy

 

[wintersej]

But isn't Vancouver trying to come out of this with an improved team overall?

If Vancouver was a ‘seller’ and wanted prospects, we’d lose that battle easily, but from what I’ve read and heard they want to come out of this without losing their status as a playoff contender. They’re willing to downgrade at 2C (because of the Miller/Pettersson dynamic) in order to upgrade areas of need. They still want to get back a 2C who can play right now, and they want to upgrade their top4, which has been a weakness all season. The rest of the package is value filler.

From that standpoint, it is kind of like the Stuart, Sturm and Primeau deal. And the guys you mentioned from Detroit, with the exception of Edvinsson, aren’t guys playoff teams would trade for.

Carlo and Zacha fill those needs. There would need to be more from a value perspective and I do see what you mean about us lacking a headliner. But who are the roster player headliners from other teams?

Carlo
Zacha
Frederic
1st

Fills all their needs, the cap is close. Who beats it with roster players?

But there isn’t a headliner. Carlo and Zacha are solid middle of the roster pieces. But there are a lot of those guys out there, even if there is a shortage of RD in the league. They only have 2 top 4D. If they are giving up a 1C they better get a guy that can LEAD a pairing and that ain’t Carlo.

 

[JoeIsAStud]

A Vancouver fan on the main board suggested...

Zacha, Zadorov and a protected 1st for JT Miller.

For folks saying Carlo, Zacha and a 1st doesn't get the conversation started, this was coming from one of their fans and nobody really pushed back on him.

On no. They can keep Miller and try to figure out how to make the locker room work with him in there.

 

[CellyHard]

I would do Carlo and Coyle for Miller but that's really about as far as I would go.

I think those two are your most tradeable assets because they can bring a return and make decent coin.

When I think retool, I think going in that direction. I just don't see how trading off guys like Frederic, Geekie, Brazeau for maybe mid round picks would do us any good, especially considering we have no one to replace them. You're going to have to go back out in FA and spend to fill those spots. It's just reshuffling the bottom six, which quite frankly isn't the Bruins problem at all. I actually think it's quite good and young enough to move forward with.

Geekie and Braz with 10 goals each, Freddy has really turned the corner lately, Poitras shouldn't leave 3C, and you just resigned Kastelic to a great deal. It's been a productive and physical. Don't mess with it.

The issue is the high end talent in the top six. I'd lean towards moving Carlo to the Sabers for Kulich and Coyle to the Devils for one of their 2nd round picks. Maybe even look at moving Korpi out.

That would save over 12 million. You could go get Kovacevic to replace Carlo and potentially resign Freddy, Geekie, Braz with whats remaining and STILL have enough to go re-up Marchy at similar deal and get another impact forward in FA.

 

[wintersej]

A Vancouver fan on the main board suggested...

Zacha, Zadorov and a protected 1st for JT Miller.

For folks saying Carlo, Zacha and a 1st doesn't get the conversation started, this was coming from one of their fans and nobody really pushed back on him.

I would be rooting for Sweeney to make a deal for a certain pending UFA in Pittsburgh to become McAvoy’s new D parter just to see the world burn.

 

[Hookslide]

Don't disagree....but what if long term you can live with Miller, Lindholm, Poitras?

Feels a little like Savard, Bergeron, DK

Very little.

 

[Hookslide]

I find it comical that people think they're gonna trade Lindholm or Zadorov. (Even suggesting back to Vancouver lmao) Legitimately 0% chance either one is happening, they just signed these guys and like it or not they are part of the core.

If Vancouver wants him let him go, it would be worth it just to get that cap space back, then use it on a more useful piece, or have offseason to grab some help.