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Boston Bruins 24-25 Roster/Cap thread XI

4ORRBRUIN said:
This will be the weekend something happens after they return to Boston .Especially if they lose the next two
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This is also what I think. At some point a move, any move, has to be made. At the very least call up Poitras. I personally think Poitras is trade bait and they’re trying to pad his stats in Providence. I think they’re not calling him up because they don’t want him to get smoked yet again by a huge hit only to get nothing for him.
 
PlayMakers said:
I don't think #2 is realistic. Firing Sweeney likely means a lengthy search for a new GM. I think about the Chiarelli hiring and how that took weeks to unfold with interviews of multiple options. In the meantime, you've got Cam running the deadline. 😱

So, I think they have to go with giving Sweeney a chance to fix the roster. He's given us 9 good seasons, I would think that has earned him at least a chance to fix his first bad roster. Neely will still be there to oversee and sign off on any franchise altering decisions. If Sweeney doesn't fix it, he's out at the end of the year and you can start your GM search with a clean slate and potentially lots of options.
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So I could probably reshape that position of yours though right? Has Sweeney given us 9 good seasons or did notable players careers coincide with his tenure? Was it Chara, Bergeron, Rask and Krejci or Sweeney?

I’ll admit I’ve softened on him over the years. He’s made some good deals, no doubt. And I loved his all in a few years ago. But his drafting has been terrible, he’s 3 coaches deep, he’s up against the cap with a crap team, zero quality prospects under 23 and some recent horrible signings on his resume. This last season plus has featured overpaying Hampus Lindholm and adding two premier free agents for big deals, both of whom have straddled between mediocrity and crap. Any of us would happily take the money back for Zadorov or Elias Lindholm.

Has he earned the chance to watch this season slowly die? Ok why not.

Has he earned the chance to truly fix this roster with real moves? No. He hasn’t.
 
Ozzy Osbourne said:
This is also what I think. At some point a move, any move, has to be made. At the very least call up Poitras. I personally think Poitras is trade bait and they’re trying to pad his stats in Providence. I think they’re not calling him up because they don’t want him to get smoked yet again by a huge hit only to get nothing for him.
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Effort on your thinking, one never knows.
 
To make the cap work for any potential deal the Bruins make to obtain Pettersson (it's reported Miller will only waive for NY, and Bruins want to get younger at center), we have to look at potential assets the Bruins can trade to make the cap work.

The Bruins are currently sitting at $1,187,885 in cap space give or take. That means that around roughly $10M in cap space must get dealt to fit Pettersson on the team.

Pastrnak: Pastrnak is a core piece to the Bruins' success, and the idea should be to keep him and play him with Pettersson so that rules him out.

Marchand: In my opinion, it's doubtful he gets moved at all, and the Cancuks wouldn't be targeting Marchand in a deal for a player like Pettersson.

E. Lindholm + Zadorov: They both left the Canucks in the offseason to sign with the Bruins. Would either of them waive their NMCs to go back to Vancouver? I would say not likely, but only Sweeney would know if he kept his tradition of asking each player with a NMC/NTC what teams they would be fine with getting traded to.

Coyle: He would be a pure camp dump, and I don't think Vancouver would want him. The Bruins could potentially move him to another team to gain cap space, but I think Coyle as of right now may have negative value.

Zacha: He's tight with Pastrnak. How would that affect Pastrnak? He could be an attractive piece for Vancouver since they would be looking for a center back in return.

McAvoy: Full NMC, doubtful he would waive for Vancouver.

Carlo: He fits the criteria of Vancouver needing a top 4 RD, but Vancouver is looking for more of a puck-moving defenseman which Carlo is not.

H. Lindholm: He's not a RD, but he is a top 4D that fits Vancouver's criteria. The problem is Lindholm has a full NMC, would he waive for Vancouver?

I didn't include prospects and the likes of Frederic and Lohrei because although they all can be players Vancouver likes, they don't move the needle enough in terms of making the cap work in a potential deal.

If the Bruins move Coyle to a team with very little retention, then you could potentially see a combination of Zacha + Lohrei++ etc. in the deal. Easier said than done.

Here's the only way I can see making this trade plausible.

BOS: Pettersson
NYR: McAvoy + Frederic + BOS 3rd
VAN: Fox

Bruins would have to entice the Rangers to move Fox in the deal so Frederic and the 3rd are included. There was also talk in the offseason that they wanted to get tougher as a team, McAvoy and Frederic provide that. Vancouver gets their top-pairing RD and reunites Hughes and Fox.

For the Bruins, this deal would be robbing Peter to pay Paul. McAvoy has a full NMC, but I think he would waive to go back home. Bruins get their young #1C and keep Lohrei, Poitras, and Lysell. Lindholm - Carlo has been the Bruins' most consistent pairing these past couple of seasons. Peeke has played well with Zadorov, Lohrei, and Wotherspoon. Peeke gets a lot of crap for not being good enough, but I think he has been the Bruins' most consistent RD this season. The big hole after the trade is at #4RD. Maybe Vancouver includes Desharnais or a Vancouver D-prospect in Abbotsford that is ready for NHL-duty, but Zadorov has looked his best when he takes the lead on his pairing. The Bruins would most likely have to make a secondary move to fill that hole.

To conclude, it's possible, but I think a lot more other teams have the cap space and assets to get a deal done for one of Vancouver's centers. Bruins should call up Poitras, Lysell, and Merkulov, move the FAs without any long-term future on the team, and see where this season goes. The defense and goaltending shouldn't be this bad so hopefully that corrects itself once Lindholm gets healthy.
 
Absurdity said:
To make the cap work for any potential deal the Bruins make to obtain Pettersson (it's reported Miller will only waive for NY, and Bruins want to get younger at center), we have to look at potential assets the Bruins can trade to make the cap work.

The Bruins are currently sitting at $1,187,885 in cap space give or take. That means that around roughly $10M in cap space must get dealt to fit Pettersson on the team.

Pastrnak: Pastrnak is a core piece to the Bruins' success, and the idea should be to keep him and play him with Pettersson so that rules him out.

Marchand: In my opinion, it's doubtful he gets moved at all, and the Cancuks wouldn't be targeting Marchand in a deal for a player like Pettersson.

E. Lindholm + Zadorov: They both left the Canucks in the offseason to sign with the Bruins. Would either of them waive their NMCs to go back to Vancouver? I would say not likely, but only Sweeney would know if he kept his tradition of asking each player with a NMC/NTC what teams they would be fine with getting traded to.

Coyle: He would be a pure camp dump, and I don't think Vancouver would want him. The Bruins could potentially move him to another team to gain cap space, but I think Coyle as of right now may have negative value.

Zacha: He's tight with Pastrnak. How would that affect Pastrnak? He could be an attractive piece for Vancouver since they would be looking for a center back in return.

McAvoy: Full NMC, doubtful he would waive for Vancouver.

Carlo: He fits the criteria of Vancouver needing a top 4 RD, but Vancouver is looking for more of a puck-moving defenseman which Carlo is not.

H. Lindholm: He's not a RD, but he is a top 4D that fits Vancouver's criteria. The problem is Lindholm has a full NMC, would he waive for Vancouver?

I didn't include prospects and the likes of Frederic and Lohrei because although they all can be players Vancouver likes, they don't move the needle enough in terms of making the cap work in a potential deal.

If the Bruins move Coyle to a team with very little retention, then you could potentially see a combination of Zacha + Lohrei++ etc. in the deal. Easier said than done.

Here's the only way I can see making this trade plausible.

BOS: Pettersson
NYR: McAvoy + Frederic + BOS 3rd
VAN: Fox

Bruins would have to entice the Rangers to move Fox in the deal so Frederic and the 3rd are included. There was also talk in the offseason that they wanted to get tougher as a team, McAvoy and Frederic provide that. Vancouver gets their top-pairing RD and reunites Hughes and Fox.

For the Bruins, this deal would be robbing Peter to pay Paul. McAvoy has a full NMC, but I think he would waive to go back home. Bruins get their young #1C and keep Lohrei, Poitras, and Lysell. Lindholm - Carlo has been the Bruins' most consistent pairing these past couple of seasons. Peeke has played well with Zadorov, Lohrei, and Wotherspoon. Peeke gets a lot of crap for not being good enough, but I think he has been the Bruins' most consistent RD this season. The big hole after the trade is at #4RD. Maybe Vancouver includes Desharnais or a Vancouver D-prospect in Abbotsford that is ready for NHL-duty, but Zadorov has looked his best when he takes the lead on his pairing. The Bruins would most likely have to make a secondary move to fill that hole.

To conclude, it's possible, but I think a lot more other teams have the cap space and assets to get a deal done for one of Vancouver's centers. Bruins should call up Poitras, Lysell, and Merkulov, move the FAs without any long-term future on the team, and see where this season goes. The defense and goaltending shouldn't be this bad so hopefully that corrects itself once Lindholm gets healthy.
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It's creative I give you that...but IMO, we don't need to add 2 more pieces if McAvoy is going....and I personally wouldn't deal him for EP
 
Absurdity said:
To make the cap work for any potential deal the Bruins make to obtain Pettersson (it's reported Miller will only waive for NY, and Bruins want to get younger at center), we have to look at potential assets the Bruins can trade to make the cap work.

The Bruins are currently sitting at $1,187,885 in cap space give or take. That means that around roughly $10M in cap space must get dealt to fit Pettersson on the team.

Pastrnak: Pastrnak is a core piece to the Bruins' success, and the idea should be to keep him and play him with Pettersson so that rules him out.

Marchand: In my opinion, it's doubtful he gets moved at all, and the Cancuks wouldn't be targeting Marchand in a deal for a player like Pettersson.

E. Lindholm + Zadorov: They both left the Canucks in the offseason to sign with the Bruins. Would either of them waive their NMCs to go back to Vancouver? I would say not likely, but only Sweeney would know if he kept his tradition of asking each player with a NMC/NTC what teams they would be fine with getting traded to.

Coyle: He would be a pure camp dump, and I don't think Vancouver would want him. The Bruins could potentially move him to another team to gain cap space, but I think Coyle as of right now may have negative value.

Zacha: He's tight with Pastrnak. How would that affect Pastrnak? He could be an attractive piece for Vancouver since they would be looking for a center back in return.

McAvoy: Full NMC, doubtful he would waive for Vancouver.

Carlo: He fits the criteria of Vancouver needing a top 4 RD, but Vancouver is looking for more of a puck-moving defenseman which Carlo is not.

H. Lindholm: He's not a RD, but he is a top 4D that fits Vancouver's criteria. The problem is Lindholm has a full NMC, would he waive for Vancouver?

I didn't include prospects and the likes of Frederic and Lohrei because although they all can be players Vancouver likes, they don't move the needle enough in terms of making the cap work in a potential deal.

If the Bruins move Coyle to a team with very little retention, then you could potentially see a combination of Zacha + Lohrei++ etc. in the deal. Easier said than done.

Here's the only way I can see making this trade plausible.

BOS: Pettersson
NYR: McAvoy + Frederic + BOS 3rd
VAN: Fox

Bruins would have to entice the Rangers to move Fox in the deal so Frederic and the 3rd are included. There was also talk in the offseason that they wanted to get tougher as a team, McAvoy and Frederic provide that. Vancouver gets their top-pairing RD and reunites Hughes and Fox.

For the Bruins, this deal would be robbing Peter to pay Paul. McAvoy has a full NMC, but I think he would waive to go back home. Bruins get their young #1C and keep Lohrei, Poitras, and Lysell. Lindholm - Carlo has been the Bruins' most consistent pairing these past couple of seasons. Peeke has played well with Zadorov, Lohrei, and Wotherspoon. Peeke gets a lot of crap for not being good enough, but I think he has been the Bruins' most consistent RD this season. The big hole after the trade is at #4RD. Maybe Vancouver includes Desharnais or a Vancouver D-prospect in Abbotsford that is ready for NHL-duty, but Zadorov has looked his best when he takes the lead on his pairing. The Bruins would most likely have to make a secondary move to fill that hole.

To conclude, it's possible, but I think a lot more other teams have the cap space and assets to get a deal done for one of Vancouver's centers. Bruins should call up Poitras, Lysell, and Merkulov, move the FAs without any long-term future on the team, and see where this season goes. The defense and goaltending shouldn't be this bad so hopefully that corrects itself once Lindholm gets healthy.
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Bruins giving up way too much
 
bp14 said:
So I could probably reshape that position of yours though right? Has Sweeney given us 9 good seasons or did notable players careers coincide with his tenure? Was it Chara, Bergeron, Rask and Krejci or Sweeney?

I’ll admit I’ve softened on him over the years. He’s made some good deals, no doubt. And I loved his all in a few years ago. But his drafting has been terrible, he’s 3 coaches deep, he’s up against the cap with a crap team, zero quality prospects under 23 and some recent horrible signings on his resume. This last season plus has featured overpaying Hampus Lindholm and adding two premier free agents for big deals, both of whom have straddled between mediocrity and crap. Any of us would happily take the money back for Zadorov or Elias Lindholm.

Has he earned the chance to watch this season slowly die? Ok why not.

Has he earned the chance to truly fix this roster with real moves? No. He hasn’t.
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You're welcome to make your case.

I mean, Bergeron, Chara, Krejci and Rask have missed the playoffs multiple times. I don't think it's fair to say all their success is thanks to them and nobody else. They missed the playoffs twice in 2015, just 2 years after going to the Finals. The next 9 years under Sweeney they have more wins than any team in the NHL. The GM had something to do with that, as did those 4 players.

I disagree on his draft record. NHL teams average 19% at the draft. 19% of the players picked play 200 games. Sweeney is at 25%, so he's better than average despite one of the worst draft positions. The Bruins have been a good team and because they've gone for it so many times and traded away their 1st and 2nd round picks, they have one of the worst average draft positions. So realistically, he should be well below the league average success rate. Despite that, he's beat the average and even pulled two franchise players in Swayman and McAvoy.

He's 3 coaches deep. But again that's normal. The shelf life of an NHL coach is 2.5 years. So in 10 seasons most teams would be on their 4th coach. That said, I didn't want him to fire Cassidy and that was a strike against him for me. Also, making Montgomery accept Cassidy's entire coaching staff was overstepping and another strike against him in my books.

The E.Lindholm signing is a dud and a costly mistake. I don't have an issue with Zadorov. He plays 20 minutes a night, he's +7 on a team with a -24 goal differential, and he has emerged as a leader. I don't think Hampus is overpaid either.

This team is bad and I agree that is on Sweeney, but it's also on the players. Pasta is underperforming, Swayman is underperforming, McAvoy is underperforming... Those are the three pillars of your team and they're all, for the first time in their careers, struggling. I think the team's success has as much to do with their struggles as the makeup of the roster. If Pasta was on pace for 100 points, if Swayman was posting his career average .918, if McAvoy was having a Norris caliber season, this team is probably one of the best in the East. So yeah, Sweeney deserves blame for swapping DeBrusk with Lindholm, but the rest of this roster is pretty similar to the one that put up 109 points last year. Most fans, expected this team to do well before the season started and I think that was a fair expectation. IMO, the roster isn't as bad as their record, it's the fact that their best players have played well below their career averages.
 
Greek_physique said:
It's creative I give you that...but IMO, we don't need to add 2 more pieces if McAvoy is going....and I personally wouldn't deal him for EP
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TCB said:
Bruins giving up way too much
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Reports are saying the Rangers are interested in JT Miller. If they wanted, why couldn't they trade Fox for Miller and call it a day? They won't because they also declined to trade Schneider for Miller, but in this hypothetical, the Rangers would be helping the Bruins facilitate the trade because they don't have to move Fox at all so that's the reason for the Bruins paying more. Bruins could maybe take away Frederic or the 3rd from the hypothetical proposal.

I was also looking at the Islanders as a team in this hypothetical that McAvoy would waive to, but they don't make much sense. The Islanders are deep at RD so they can just move Dobson+ for Pettersson and call it a day.
 
Greek_physique said:
IMO, they don't have pieces for EP....but he's easily the better option between the 2
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Honestly the last thing this franchise needs to do is add ANOTHER highly paid player signed long-term who is into their 30s.

Fans here were warned when it was speculated about Lindholm that he was likely to never come close to matching his 40 goal year in Calgary. That season Miller had last year with over 100 points. NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN. Then add in the other factors like his wonderful personality. If it's true he took a leave from the team this year because of frustration with his teammates, who does that? In pro sports a player taking a leave over frustration with teammates is a pretty rare thing, I'm having trouble thinking about another pro athlete who has done that.

If both are available it's Petterson every day of the week and twice on Sundays. I want nothing to do with JT Miller.
 
MarchysNoseKnows said:
Because Hall was on LTIR yeah
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What’s your point? I stated the lineup back then was absolutely stacked compared to today’s. Every season a team has players on LTIR heading into playoffs. See Vegas, see Kucherov every late season. Hall played all 7 games in those playoffs. He scored 5 goals.

Todays roster stinks
 
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Bruins have the worst goals differential in the entire eastern conference now. Worse than ANY EC team!!! Yet some still think this team has a chance at contending. Stick a fork in them!
 
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