Boston Bruins 24-25 Roster/Cap thread VI

[JoeIsAStud]

I'm keeping an eye on the Bruins to see if they try to pass someone through.

I would assume tufte goes down. They could be very bold and try to waive Jones as well, but I can't imagine doing that, it would give them space for johnson, but still i think it would be big mistake

 

[The Andrew Peeke Fan]

I would assume tufte goes down. They could be very bold and try to waive Jones as well, but I can't imagine doing that, it would give them space for johnson, but still i think it would be big mistake

They should waive the shit out of Jones, I agree

 

[sarge88]

They don't have 6 guys that could slot in to the top 6, we already have Geekie in there who is ideally a third liner and realistically is probably closer to a 4th liner then a 2nd liner.

And as high as I am on Poitras, I'm not quite sure he's ready to take on consistent top 6 matchups.

Personally I’d go…

Frederic Lindholm Pasta
Marchand Zacha Poitras
Geekie Coyle Brazeau

 

[PlayMakers]

Zacha- Lindholm - Pastrnak is such a great match based on skills, strengths, and weaknesses

Why would anyone break up ?

The issue should be Poitras eventually for Coyle but this should be after Poitras has performed high level for 2-3 months


Poitras wasn’t on the second PP

I’ll start there

They're a match in every way... it just hasn't translated on the ice yet. Which is crazy because it feels like Lindholm and Zacha are both playing well. We saw more chemistry in two shifts of Marchand-Lindholm than we've seen in 3 games of Zacha-Lindholm-Pasta... Need to give it more time for sure. I like the theory that this is their pre-season.

Poitras did get some time on the 2nd PP yesterday. He had about a minute of PP time.

 

[Hookslide]

Coyle had 60 point last year while playing extremely hard minutes. He earned that top 6 spot, they aren't gonna kick him out cause that line hasn't been great through 3 games.

If that line continues not producing it'll be Geekie that gets moved out for someone else anyway.

Coyle has never received the credit that he deserves since he came here. 25 goals last year and 60 points, oh well this offense is so good lets drop Coyle down in the lineup, that will solve everything.

 

[JAD]

Personally I’d go…

Frederic Lindholm Pasta
Marchand Zacha Poitras
Geekie Coyle Brazeau

Keep the 3rd line ... flip Marchand and Frederic.
Just not crazy about Poitras on the wing ... I guess it's okay as long as you also give him time in the middle - Zacha Poitras Frederic. See which combination works better.

 

[shelbysdad]

I'm watching the waiver wire today and tomorrow.

Do you think they call it waivers since when someone gets claimed you have them bye bye ?

 

[Hookslide]

They should waive the shit out of Jones, I agree

Jones has played one game, but lets get rid of a young, bigger, tougher, more physical player that accomplished doing this offseason, for smaller, older player that you were trying to get away from, great strategy. Oh! I forgot Johnson has been so busy answering the phone calls he is receiving from other teams, so he a keeper.

 

[DominicT]

Jones has played one game, but lets get rid of a young, bigger, tougher, more physical player that accomplished doing this offseason, for smaller, older player that you were trying to get away from, great strategy. Oh! I forgot Johnson has been so busy answering the phone calls he is receiving from other teams, so he a keeper.

How do we know he hasn't received another offer?

Maybe he was told once they have the cap sorted they will sign him, and he really doesn't want to go anywhere else so he declined?

I don't know that the Bruins have ever done that under Sweeney though.

 

[JAD]

Coyle has never received the credit that he deserves since he came here. 25 goals last year and 60 points, oh well this offense is so good lets drop Coyle down in the lineup, that will solve everything.

Last year was an anomaly, an outlier season, carried by Marchand. Coyle does not produce offensive on his own, but he protects the puck very well, possession player who eats minutes.
Don't think of it as a demotion by moving Coyle. Think of it as creating two second lines to be used by the coach as situations dictate. Balancing the threat to other teams by using our players to their strengths, where they are most effective.

 

[PlayMakers]

I look at it differently. They wouldn’t move Coyle to line three if they didn’t legitimately have 6 guys who could slot into the top 6.

Moving him to line 3, which gives the B’s an advantage most nights shouldn’t be seen as a knock on him….its just putting people in the best place for the team.

But they don't have 6 guys who could legitimately slot into the top6. And whether it's Coyle or Poitras on line 3, both should "give the B's an advantage most nights."

Poitras is destined for the top6, but there is some merit to doing it slowly, carefully. Putting him in the top6 puts a target on his back. "Take out Poitras you can take out the 2nd line." It also puts him up against guys like Kopitar and Bennett. Right now Coyle gets those assignments. That's some heavy lifting.

Maybe it would be better for Poitras to grow his game on the 3rd line, without those matchups and that target. He can just play, make plays, outplay other 3rd lines...

 

[Hookslide]

But they don't have 6 guys who could legitimately slot into the top6. And whether it's Coyle or Poitras on line 3, both should "give the B's an advantage most nights."

Poitras is destined for the top6, but there is some merit to doing it slowly, carefully. Putting him in the top6 puts a target on his back. "Take out Poitras you can take out the 2nd line." It also puts him up against guys like Kopitar and Bennett. Right now Coyle gets those assignments. That's some heavy lifting.

Maybe it would be better for Poitras to grow his game on the 3rd line, without those matchups and that target. He can just play, make plays, outplay other 3rd lines...

Well, thought out and you added some logic, sweet.

 

[sarge88]

But they don't have 6 guys who could legitimately slot into the top6. And whether it's Coyle or Poitras on line 3, both should "give the B's an advantage most nights."

Poitras is destined for the top6, but there is some merit to doing it slowly, carefully. Putting him in the top6 puts a target on his back. "Take out Poitras you can take out the 2nd line." It also puts him up against guys like Kopitar and Bennett. Right now Coyle gets those assignments. That's some heavy lifting.

Maybe it would be better for Poitras to grow his game on the 3rd line, without those matchups and that target. He can just play, make plays, outplay other 3rd lines...

I get that perspective, but I guess I look at it this way.

The lines are frequently adjusted. To me Coyle isn’t a second line center. He might be very close to being one, but he’s much, much better suited to playing 3C.

Given that, there are lots of options for the the top two lines at wing.

If you commit to Lindholm, Zacha, and Coyle as your centers on lines 1-3, that gives the the B’s an advantage most nights…..especially at 3C, IMO.

Wingers are obviously important, but less so than centers.

Meaning, I think they are better off keeping those 3 centers in place and mixing and matching the wingers….even if it means one of those wingers is a stretch on the top 2 lines, it’s probably not as big a stretch as using Coyle at 2C.

 

[KrugAvoy]

If this team gets the 2nd line right, look out

Bearing injury, 2nd line winger should be our primary TDL target. Geekie is better cut for L3

 

[PlayMakers]

Last year was an anomaly, an outlier season, carried by Marchand. Coyle does not produce offensive on his own, but he protects the puck very well, possession player who eats minutes.
Don't think of it as a demotion by moving Coyle. Think of it as creating two second lines to be used by the coach as situations dictate. Balancing the threat to other teams by using our players to their strengths, where they are most effective.

I don't think that's true or fair.

Coyle has averaged 35 even strength points his entire career, and most of the time he's done it on the 3rd line while breaking in rookie wingers and unproductive vets. How does he do that if he can't create his own offense? I mean, Elias Lindholm (who I really like) has played most of his career in a top6 role with good players and he also averages 37 even strength points.

The biggest difference in Coyle's production last year was special teams. He had 44 ES points, but picked up an extra 16 points on the PP and PK.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Poitras is excellent defensively for his age. Generally has had much stronger defensive results than Coyle. I wouldn't be surprised if Poitras will be recognized as a stronger two-way player than Lindholm in near future.

Poitras is 20. Yes, for a 20-year-old center he is excellent. But that's only because most 20-year-olds are terrible defensively. Not sure what is meant by "defensive results", but he's not close to Coyle defensively at this point.

 

[PlayMakers]

I get that perspective, but I guess I look at it this way.

The lines are frequently adjusted. To me Coyle isn’t a second line center. He might be very close to being one, but he’s much, much better suited to playing 3C.

Given that, there are lots of options for the the top two lines at wing.

If you commit to Lindholm, Zacha, and Coyle as your centers on lines 1-3, that gives the the B’s an advantage most nights…..especially at 3C, IMO.

Wingers are obviously important, but less so than centers.

Meaning, I think they are better off keeping those 3 centers in place and mixing and matching the wingers….even if it means one of those wingers is a stretch on the top 2 lines, it’s probably not as big a stretch as using Coyle at 2C.

I don't mind Coyle at 3c, but I don't agree with the "Coyle isn't a 2c" talk. He literally proved last year he could do the job on a really good team, as did Zacha. Fwiw, I don't mind Coyle at RW either. Open to all options after 10 games or so.

 

[sarge88]

I don't mind Coyle at 3c, but I don't agree with the "Coyle isn't a 2c" talk. He literally proved last year he could do the job on a really good team, as did Zacha. Fwiw, I don't mind Coyle at RW either. Open to all options after 10 games or so.

Fair.

I guess the fact that Coyle proved to be 2C worthy makes me even more happy about being able to use him at 3C though.

Of course this is provided that they can find a way to make lines 1 & 2 legitimate.

 

[JAD]

I don't think that's true or fair.

Coyle has averaged 35 even strength points his entire career, and most of the time he's done it on the 3rd line while breaking in rookie wingers and unproductive vets. How does he do that if he can't create his own offense? I mean, Elias Lindholm (who I really like) has played most of his career in a top6 role with good players and he also averages 37 even strength points.

The biggest difference in Coyle's production last year was special teams. He had 44 ES points, but picked up an extra 16 points on the PP and PK.

Coyle's regular season ppg ave is around .51
Lindholm's regular season ppg ave is around .68
But let's assume your discussion points are an accurate assessment of Coyle's ability ... then there should be no problem or drop off of his new found production by having him carry another line apart from Marchand.
I don't have anything against Coyle I think he is a valuable player for what he brings to the team. But I do think pairing him with Marchand is stifling Marchand's production while enhancing Coyle's production.
I think both players could bring more overall benefit to the team success apart than they do paired together ... especially now that we have options. Last year we didn’t have these options, they were paired out of necessity.

 

[BamBamCam]

Bearing injury, 2nd line winger should be our primary TDL target. Geekie is better cut for L3

Yes but there isn't much out there many P Kane if the Wings aren't in the hunt. They might be able to move Freddy there and bring in Taylor Hall.
Marchand-Coyle-Freddy
Hall-Portias-Geekie

 

[JAD]

Playoffs ppg Coyle .43. - 29 +/- 119 games
Playoffs ppg Lindholm .67 -7 +/- 40 games

In case anyone was interested.

 

[Guelph Bruin]

Can't we all just get along?! (be far less interesting of we did ...I'll concede that lol) Coyle has been a good soldier and is off to a slow start (3 games), E. Lindholm has been off to a great start (also 3 games), M. Poitras had a good camp with one good game (not 3 games) .....the truth lies somewhere in the middle IMO ..season is soooo long, injuries happen and Monty shuffles lines like a Vegas blackjack dealer so I'm expecting every line combination mentioned to eventually happen

 

[Aussie Bruin]

Personally I’d go…

Frederic Lindholm Pasta
Marchand Zacha Poitras
Geekie Coyle Brazeau

Hard hard pass on Zacha going back to the middle. He did an overall ok job at it last year, but was mostly invisible against quality opponents. Just not a natural pivot, IMO. Much better as a complimentary player and a link in the chain rather than the guy driving plays. Solid player overall, but would be very glad to never see him play center again.

 

[dugg133]

Yes but there isn't much out there many P Kane if the Wings aren't in the hunt. They might be able to move Freddy there and bring in Taylor Hall.
Marchand-Coyle-Freddy
Hall-Portias-Geekie

The list of pending UFAs isn't super enticing, but they could always look to add someone with term, or maybe there's a pending rfa a team would be willing to move.

Just way too early to know who's actually gonna be available.