Boston Bruins 24-25 Roster/Cap thread IX
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Mr. Make-Believe
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We may disagree about Frederic in terms of quality of player, but this is such a lousy reductive argument.
What value would you place on Quinton Byfield? The guy has played nearly 60 full minutes more than Frederic, has two more assists, less than half the blocked shots and less than a third of his hits. Think the Kings would do better than a 2nd Round Pick if they decided to deal him?
Of course they would. Because (like Frederic) there's more to his resume. More to the story.
Does that mean that Frederic would be a cinch to net a first? Not at all. But we've all seen far worse players get better value on the market come deadline time.
Mr. Make-Believe
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I know I'm speaking out of turn, but that would be even more stupid.
I'm sure @MarchysNoseKnows is assuming a fair market deal when he's suggesting a re-sign... And not some ridiculous overpayment.
Dennis Bonvie
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What if Feddy ends the season with 20 goals.
It's not a ridiculous overpayment. We know most UFA's get overpayment. And we know some teams make terrible deals to get what they think they need. It only takes one dumb GM.
quietbruinfan
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Don Sweeney is that you? Tf, while not quite a total stiff, is not very valuable. I say he returns a low second at best.
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22Brad Park
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If he is not resigned they should trade him .However ,I Saw that movie watching Loui Eriksson walk away for nothing who was better then Freddy ,it's called Bruins.If they smell a playoff gate he will be here
22Brad Park
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I think betting against him potting 20 this season is safe money .Just my take and I know he has 3 so on pace for 18 .Just not feeling it with him.
MarchysNoseKnows
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The only way that happens is if we let him walk to free agency so kind of a moot point.
If Freddy doesn’t like the offer or doesn’t want to be here I think you’d be surprised what his value would be, either in trade or on the market.
It’s easily a first at the deadline and probably a decent amount more.
We're talking about Trent Frederic, right?
I'd be thrilled to get that for him. However any NHL GM who offers a 1st + additional assets for him, should be immediately fired for cause....
BamBamCam
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Trent Frederic is a 26 yr old center/winger with a stat line of: NHL Totals 308GP 50G 53A 103Pts 284PIM
A 23 year old center/winger with a stat line of: NHL Totals 163GP 25G 49A 74Pts 41PIM Just got traded for a 4th round pick in 2027.
Using this trade as the market there is no way in hell Frederic brings a 1st, maybe a 2nd plus a prospect.
A 23 year old center/winger with a stat line of: NHL Totals 163GP 25G 49A 74Pts 41PIM Just got traded for a 4th round pick in 2027.
Using this trade as the market there is no way in hell Frederic brings a 1st, maybe a 2nd plus a prospect.
Consider this ... the NHL has expanded to the point where the product is very watered down. A team picking late in the first round 19th overall or later today wound be if it were 50 years ago picking in the second round of the draft. 1974 there were 18 teams, by 79 - 21 teams.
I've been around long enough to feel that a late first round pick today isn't really a first round pick.
Usually all the top talent is gone by the 15th pick in the draft if not much sooner. Anything later is usually just a crap shot. Sure, players will slip in the draft for various reasons but that's more an anomaly. Overall for where Boston has picked in the draft they have done a very decent job finding players.
Frederic may have been drafted in the first round, but that doesn't mean he should have been. Rumors were the Bruins reached and took him because Anaheim was rumored to want him. A reach? Yes. Best possible pick in hindsight, no. But can't really complain too much. He is playing the NHL when so many others picked where he was taken never made it. Even more amazing because it was a reach. Just saying.
gvkmedia
Let’s fight through this….
So now we here Elliot Freedman and such talking that the Bruins have shown interest in Nils Hoglander, a skilled left winger.
Could you see a line of Hoglander with Coyle and Brazeau?
Let’s keep Marchand with Lindholm and Pastrnak together for a good period of time.
I guess you have line 2b with Zacha, Frederic and Geekie? At least there is some jam in there….
Keep the 4th line.
Is this better than what we got rolling now? What would it take to get Hoglander… does this infringe on our developing of Lysell? Who really cares so long as we win more games.
Defence and goaltending are coming around.
Go Bruins.
Could you see a line of Hoglander with Coyle and Brazeau?
Let’s keep Marchand with Lindholm and Pastrnak together for a good period of time.
I guess you have line 2b with Zacha, Frederic and Geekie? At least there is some jam in there….
Keep the 4th line.
Is this better than what we got rolling now? What would it take to get Hoglander… does this infringe on our developing of Lysell? Who really cares so long as we win more games.
Defence and goaltending are coming around.
Go Bruins.
Take a look at the selections in the previous drafts ... see who Boston picked in each round each year and the names left on the board after their selection.
It is really revealing just how hit or miss drafting is.
Other teams aren't any better picking players.
Hindsight makes drafting so much easier.
As far as Lysell I think I saw two names from that draft taken after him that are playing this year ... I'm sure there a few more.
Take that how you want, but give the kid time.
www.hockey-reference.com
It is really revealing just how hit or miss drafting is.
Other teams aren't any better picking players.
Hindsight makes drafting so much easier.
As far as Lysell I think I saw two names from that draft taken after him that are playing this year ... I'm sure there a few more.
Take that how you want, but give the kid time.
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MarchysNoseKnows
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You’re really comparing Tomasino to Frederic? Not a good comp at all.
Frederic is not only the type of player teams love to acquire at the deadline, his cap hit is so low it gets a premium on the return.
Unless he is playing thru a nagging injury, no way am I offering him 4M given how he has played this year. Guy has played at his current salary so far.
Bruins should have prioritized DeBrusk after the PO. Could have still signed Lindholm
and not Zadorov. I am not negative on Zadorov either.
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That is a whole lot more solid top 9 than what they are running now with a decent 4th line.
Byfield? He will be 22 years old this year, while Frederic turns 27 in early February.
Byfield would return a ton of assets. Had 55 points last year at age 21.
wintersej
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Frederic shot 14% the last two years and is at 7% this year. Is it more he was lucky the last two years or unlucky this year? Or is he getting worse shots? He is on pace for around the same quantity of shots. His amount of high danger shots is a little down but nothing that a couple of good games couldn’t fix.
goldenblack
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I'm not so sure of that. "Hell of a lot" being the stretch there. If Freddy went for a 2 and a 3 I would not be shocked. This assumes he stays this cold.
Obviously the return matters. And we agree, probably not worth it for a 2 + 3
I could maybe see pick 32. But yeah much more is insane in his current state.
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I don't disagree but Debrusk was leaving to Canada West regardless IMO unless we silly overpaid. I'm not a big Freddy fan ...has inconstancy issues big time. We either trade him this season or sign him ...we're not in the position to lose him for nothing...hopefully Sweeney has learned that lesson. Someone will absolutely pay him $4M if he hits free agency.
a 2nd round pick for Frederic is good value, essentially getting back what you used to get him in the first place (late first rounder).
PlayMakers
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I think his current shooting percent is down. League average is 10% so even if his last two years are a little high, he should be scoring on more shots.
That is a solid top9, but the tradeoff is that Wotherspoon would currently be your best left defenseman.
TCB
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I mean maybe as it only takes one GM to hit the panic button, but dam IMO A first alone is an overpayment adding a decent amount more would be basically having another GM signing his walking papers.
Curious though whats your decent amount more?
MarchysNoseKnows
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Look at who has gone for a first the last several years. A super cheap 26 year old versatile forward who - despite this boards tendency to assess value week by week - can play all three forward positions, PK, and is physical is worth a lot more than people think. Especially being able to easily fit into even the tightest cap situations.
First and a good prospect (not elite) would certainly be in the ballpark. Even non-playoff teams would be in the mix for him (not that he’d return a top 10 pick or anything).
I know you didn't ask me but I will chime in,
A First pick, it will be a low first since it will be a team that's already good.
Middle of the road prospect
Third rounder in a future draft.
I Still think he will get extended
goldenblack
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I think him having a down year might make this more likely. A small cap number seems worth the gamble. Pay him like a 3rd liner. And pray he's not a 4th liner.
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