Prospect Info: '24-'25 Prospects Thread: Generation Z

[Darren McCord]

Knies isn't killing it. He's just getting fed minutes in the top six. Weird how some teams play their prospects in the top six, I admit.

Weird take. I mean he’s on pace for 30 goals and 50pts as a 22 year old. And it’s pretty much all EVS. He is second on the leafs in Even strength goals. 2 behind Willy.

I mean that’s pretty darn good. Ya he gets 18 mins a night but he’s doing well with the time he is getting.

 

[Freeptop]

Right but if you look at teams competing for Cups, which is what you hope to do, it’s closer to 40.

I agree that he could very well could be a productive NHLer. It’s way too early to tell. I was just stating that you do need to produce at some level even on a 3rd line.

Are you sure about that?

Only 6 players on the Stanley Cup winning Panthers had over 40 points (one of whom was Tarasenko who was acquired at the deadline, so only 14 of his points were with the Panthers). And only 8 forwards had over 30 points. They were Reinhart (94), Tkachuk (88), Barkov (80), Verhaeghe (72), Tarasenko (55, though only 14 of them with the Panthers), Bennett (41), Rodrigues (39) and Lundell (35).

For the previous year, the Knights had 5 forwards (plus 2 defensemen) who hit over 40 points, and a total of... 8 forwards who had 30 or more points (the 8th had exactly 30).

And going back a year before that? The Avs were a powerhouse. They had 6 forwards (plus two defensemen) who scored over 40 points. And, er, well, 8 forwards who scored 30 or more points.

It's almost like even Stanley Cup winning teams can only fit so many players who can score over 30 points under the Cap or something.

Every single Cup Winning team of the last several years had at least one forward in the top nine who scored less than 30 points.

I'm not saying that Howe will produce 30 points in the NHL (or even make it at all), I'm just saying that if he did, that would be quite acceptable for a third-line forward. Even on a team with Cup aspirations.

 

[Gurglesons]

Weird take. I mean he’s on pace for 30 goals and 50pts as a 22 year old. And it’s pretty much all EVS. He is second on the leafs in Even strength goals. 2 behind Willy.

I mean that’s pretty darn good. Ya he gets 18 mins a night but he’s doing well with the time he is getting.

He’s Bryan Rust for the Leafs. When they give him 6+ mil, guarantee fans are bitching about it. Also his numbers are heavily inflated by a recent 5 point game.

 

[Darren McCord]

He’s Bryan Rust for the Leafs. When they give him 6+ mil, guarantee fans are bitching about it. Also his numbers are heavily inflated by a recent 5 point game.

lol ok

bryan rust didn’t hit these numbers until he was 25. But even so Bryan rust has been a good player for the pens. Anyone would be happy pulling a player like him in the second round.

Your just down on him cause he was a Dubas pick and you hate Dubas.

 

[HandshakeLine]

I mean, any player that makes it to the NHL is a bona fide good pick, doesn't mean one has to be excited about every kind of player.

I personally cannot stand positional defensemen and I think they should be hunted for sport.

 

[eXile3]

Are you sure about that?

Only 6 players on the Stanley Cup winning Panthers had over 40 points (one of whom was Tarasenko who was acquired at the deadline, so only 14 of his points were with the Panthers). And only 8 forwards had over 30 points. They were Reinhart (94), Tkachuk (88), Barkov (80), Verhaeghe (72), Tarasenko (55, though only 14 of them with the Panthers), Bennett (41), Rodrigues (39) and Lundell (35).

For the previous year, the Knights had 5 forwards (plus 2 defensemen) who hit over 40 points, and a total of... 8 forwards who had 30 or more points (the 8th had exactly 30).

And going back a year before that? The Avs were a powerhouse. They had 6 forwards (plus two defensemen) who scored over 40 points. And, er, well, 8 forwards who scored 30 or more points.

It's almost like even Stanley Cup winning teams can only fit so many players who can score over 30 points under the Cap or something.

Every single Cup Winning team of the last several years had at least one forward in the top nine who scored less than 30 points.

I'm not saying that Howe will produce 30 points in the NHL (or even make it at all), I'm just saying that if he did, that would be quite acceptable for a third-line forward. Even on a team with Cup aspirations.

Right but those players played on their 3rd line? Lundell is their 3C and Erod/Verhaehe all play or played on the 3rd line for extended periods of time.

 

[Jacob]

But even so Bryan rust has been a good player for the pens.

 

[OtherThingsILike]

bryan rust didn’t hit these numbers until he was 25. But even so Bryan rust has been a good player for the pens. Anyone would be happy pulling a player like him in the second round.

And even better, we got Bryan Rust in the 3rd Round.

 

[Solution]

And even better, we got Bryan Rust in the 3rd Round.

And when that happened most people wanted Pulkinnen if I am remembering correctly.

 

[HandshakeLine]

I was saying Boo-rust

 

[Jacob]

Who was it everyone wanted instead of Goligoski.. Parshin?

 

[Randy Butternubs]

And when that happened most people wanted Pulkinnen if I am remembering correctly.

I remember a "Shero y u no pick Pulkkinen" image floating around.

And it looks like it could've been both Rust and Kuhnhackl over Pulkkinen.

 

[eXile3]

Who was it everyone wanted instead of Goligoski.. Parshin?

I remember everyone losing their minds after we picked Rust instead of Pulkkinen after he had a good WJC.

Then they lost it again when we passed on him again for Kuhn.

I remember a "Shero y u no pick Pulkkinen" image floating around.

And it looks like it could've been both Rust and Kuhnhackl over Pulkkinen.

lol. A minute apart. The outrage over Pulkkinen is funny in retrospect.

 

[HandshakeLine]

TBF Pulkkinen has had a pretty good career, just not in the NHL.

 

[SEALBound]

Hindsight is always funny. Go back to the 2012 draft and look at the cheers from the crowd when Bettman announces the Staal trade. Crowd went nuts when he said Sutter, lol.

I remember wanting Grigorenko primarily with Forsberg being a suitable alternative, lol.

I distinctly remember in 2015 when we were still struggling saying "I wish we would have got Oshie over Kessel as I think Oshie would fit the team better" and when Kuhnhackl got the call "I don't think it's going to work out but I'm rooting for him."

Pulkkinen is another prime example of a AAAA player. Dude is basically Bemstrom. All-star AHL player, NHL bum.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Can we bring back Alex Galchenyuk? What's he been up to?




Oh.

 

[Gurglesons]

lol ok

bryan rust didn’t hit these numbers until he was 25. But even so Bryan rust has been a good player for the pens. Anyone would be happy pulling a player like him in the second round.

Your just down on him cause he was a Dubas pick and you hate Dubas.

True. I hate Dubas.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

True. I hate Dubas.

I had a dream I met him in Erie this weekend. If it happens I'll let him know your feelings.

And I'll try to dream up some lottery numbers too.

 

[HandshakeLine]

Not a fan of the K Dubz

 

[Darren McCord]

Not a fan of the K Dubz

Not a fan of his trades but so far I am a fan of his drafts and work on development so far. Ilyin, Kangas, Harding are all doing well for late picks and Brunicke and Pieniniemi look good for his higher picks. Howe seems hit of miss but was selected by team Canada which says something even if not much.

Wheeling is number 2 in the league.
WBS is tied for number 4.

Both of those teams have his fingerprints all over them

Wheelings top Players are all rookies he brought in
Matty De St. Phalle
Atley Calvert
Jack Beck

In WBS a bunch of players he brought in have been ok and playing much better recently.
Koivunen
Pono
McG

 

[HandshakeLine]

I think his flow is weak and his rhymes are wack.

 

[eXile3]

I was thinking about this with all the talk about 3rd liners. If they are going to score around 30 points, and the 4th line probably half that, then half your forward group is generating little offense.

Half the forwards are there to play conservatively and play defense. If I’m a non regular NHL fan and I’m watching a game where half the time they aren’t even trying to do anything other than stand in the middle of the ice why would I watch?