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Has there been any resolution on the RyJo situation? I know it's somewhat moot know with the rising cap, but still would like to know what happened.
It's absolutely unacceptable that they couldn't have resolved this from August to now in time for the affected teams to adjust for Cap implications before the season ended. :facepalm:
 
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It's absolutely unacceptable that they couldn't have resolved this from August to now in time for the affected teams to adjust for Cap implications before the season ended. :facepalm:
While they should have gotten it done, I don't think it would have helped either team all that much. I'd argue the retention slot would have been a bigger deal than the cap.
 
While they should have gotten it done, I don't think it would have helped either team all that much. I'd argue the retention slot would have been a bigger deal than the cap.
I don't think they could have known that in October, however. It turned out that both teams were also-rans. And Philly could LTIR his portion anyway, so had an easier work-around than we did. But still, even just the extra retention slot IS significant. What is their plan, will they now rule on it after July 1st or just sweep it under the rug and hope nobody notices? It's $4M of real money that we're paying him. That alone should be significant to ownership. That's like our whole annual playoff revenue if we made the playoffs. :sarcasm: I think if they rule against Johansen and in favor of the Flyers the teams should actually get some kind of compensatory draft pick or something. We could have used that retention slot to get one at the TDL.
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I don't think they could have known that in October, however. It turned out that both teams were also-rans. And Philly could LTIR his portion anyway, so had an easier work-around than we did. But still, even just the extra retention slot IS significant. What is their plan, will they now rule on it after July 1st or just sweep it under the rug and hope nobody notices? It's $4M of real money that we're paying him. That alone should be significant to ownership. That's like our whole annual playoff revenue if we made the playoffs. :sarcasm: I think if they rule against Johansen and in favor of the Flyers the teams should actually get some kind of compensatory draft pick or something. We could have used that retention slot to get one at the TDL.
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For Preds any savings are just found money. It’s ridiculous this has dragged on, but whether RyJo was fit to play feels more like a Flyers issue. We knowingly used our retention slot when we dealt him and had no expectation to get it back.
 
What happened to Keifer Bellows?

Hockeydb shows him not on Nashville's roster* nor the Admirals. He was 1 of the 4 guys who were coming back for the AHL playoffs.
 
What happened to Keifer Bellows?

Hockeydb shows him not on Nashville's roster* nor the Admirals. He was 1 of the 4 guys who were coming back for the AHL playoffs.
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Okay, thanks! He is not playing tonight.

Gunnarwolf Fontaine did play for Iowa.

The First Place Admirals won 5-0 at Iowa.
Kemmel had 2 goals and was the #1 Star.

It was Murray's 26th win of the 37 so far, with 38 saves.

The pressure is on the second place Texas Stars, even with 2 games in hand. They are 2 points behind the Admirals. The Ads have a Magic Number of 9. Texas losing 2 points could put them out of a first place finish.
 
Tomasino is having a game.
Tomasino finished at 23pts in 50 games with Pittsburgh. Tough to parse these kinds of numbers, really... he got 13:27 average icetime with the Pens, also including 1:31 PP time, (6 of his 11 goals were GWG with Pittsburgh which landed 2nd on the team behind Crosby).

So I don't know... it's kind of like with us before he got totally sidelined... decent-ish production for his icetime/linemates/opportunity. But not eye-popping. Not quite forcing anybody's hand if he is also playing kind of soft and meh defensively?

He's a generically skilled-enough player to play in the NHL and get 0.5ppg. Which obviously is a lot better offensively than our grinder guys who get 0.25ppg. There is an argument that our Smith/McCarron guys getting 0.25ppg do additional things physically or defensively. I frankly don't really see it. Sure they get DEPLOYED in those situations. But also still suck at execution in those roles, right?

End of the day, I'm kind of thinking I don't really want ANY of McCarron, Smith, OR Tomasino on my team? :dunno: None of them really belong on a contending team. They are all gap-fillers. Just different kinds of gap-fillers? Tomasino is more skilled and can produce more points, but also still not really at a rate that I would lock into my top-6 on a contending team? :dunno:

I should add.... it's different though when you produce numbers like Tomasino has at a young age... and there is legitimate hope of maybe developing something more out of him. There is NOTHING more coming from the other guys. But Tomasino is kind of getting towards the age now also of graduating out of hoping for something more? (That might be our fault for messing him up --- but nevertheless? :dunno: )
 
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Tomasino finished at 23pts in 50 games with Pittsburgh. Tough to parse these kinds of numbers, really... he got 13:27 average icetime with the Pens, also including 1:31 PP time, (6 of his 11 goals were GWG with Pittsburgh which landed 2nd on the team behind Crosby).

So I don't know... it's kind of like with us before he got totally sidelined... decent-ish production for his icetime/linemates/opportunity. But not eye-popping. Not quite forcing anybody's hand if he is also playing kind of soft and meh defensively?

He's a generically skilled-enough player to play in the NHL and get 0.5ppg. Which obviously is a lot better offensively than our grinder guys who get 0.25ppg. There is an argument that our Smith/McCarron guys getting 0.25ppg do additional things physically or defensively. I frankly don't really see it. Sure they get DEPLOYED in those situations. But also still suck at execution in those roles, right?

End of the day, I'm kind of thinking I don't really want ANY of McCarron, Smith, OR Tomasino on my team? :dunno: None of them really belong on a contending team. They are all gap-fillers. Just different kinds of gap-fillers? Tomasino is more skilled and can produce more points, but also still not really at a rate that I would lock into my top-6 on a contending team? :dunno:

I should add.... it's different though when you produce numbers like Tomasino has at a young age... and there is legitimate hope of maybe developing something more out of him. There is NOTHING more coming from the other guys. But Tomasino is kind of getting towards the age now also of graduating out of hoping for something more? (That might be our fault for messing him up --- but nevertheless? :dunno: )
He's still very young IMHO. He should become a solid mid-6 sort of forward given a reasonable chance and development process. I'm not saying that's super-duper amazing, but it's not a total draft whiff either. He looked really good in the last game of the year and was very noticeable.

Our current brain trust just can't figure out how to develop anyone. Their approach is to dip the kid in a chum bucket and toss him overboard to see how fast he adapts to the shark infested waters. "See he failed!" Well, duh!
 
Haven't really watched Montreal after the trade, but Friedman said in the 32 Thoughts that many people around the league think the Carrier trade was low-key one of the best acquisitions in all of the league all season.

Chalk another one up for ol' Barry.
 
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Haven't really watched Montreal after the trade, but Friedman said in the 32 Thoughts that many people around the league think the Carrier trade was low-key one of the best acquisitions in all of the league all season.

Chalk another one up for ol' Barry.
I feel he's been making some good plays for Montreal. More good than bad certainly. He'll always be on the smaller, slighter side as a defenseman. So when Tom Wilson takes a run at him and crushes him into the boards, it's easy to criticize his physical presence, and there is no doubt he has those limitations. He can still make highly skilled defensive plays, clean passes, and block some shots. So a great pickup when all it cost them was a warm body who was sitting in Montreal's pressbox.
 
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Haven't really watched Montreal after the trade, but Friedman said in the 32 Thoughts that many people around the league think the Carrier trade was low-key one of the best acquisitions in all of the league all season.

Chalk another one up for ol' Barry.
I'm glad it worked out for Carrier, and certainly it goes to show how bad Montreal's defense was that he can be looked on as such a key acquisition for them. But I still wouldn't reverse that trade from our side either.

I don't have particularly high hopes for Barron, but I'm content to have moved on from Carrier and gotten at least a younger/cheaper warm body with a tiny sliver of potential back for Carrier. Given I would have just let Carrier walk as a UFA in the summer and taken nothing back for him. Even Barron is a better return than that. So I'm not really faulting Trotz on this one, lacking any evidence that any better offer was on the table.

Of course, you could maybe fault him for not trading Carrier at last year's TDL and getting a much better return... but ok, I guess I can see the argument also for not "selling" while chasing a playoff spot.

Or you could certainly fault him for seeming to value Carrier ahead of Fabbro, bailing on Fabbro, only to then subsequently bail on Carrier too. That's also a mess for our RD and there was some bad evaluation going on in that whole sequence.
 
I mean when you were a team that basically had nothing but kids outside of Savard for defensemen of course it's going to look good. That said it doesn't make it a bad trade from a Nashville standpoint either. We got out of a contract we shouldn't have signed to start with.

Keep in mind too, they haven't seen the can't stay healthy version of Carrier yet.
 
On a different note, I think that Wilson hit is exactly the type the NHL should be trying to phase out of the game. Probably won’t be a popular take, and I know that by the book it was probably a legal hit, but Carrier is probably concussed and that type of injury is extremely likely to come from a hit like that on that area of the ice. Just knowing what we now know, I’m not much of a fan of blowing guys up for the sake of it. It led to a goal, yes, but you don’t have to hammer a guy like that to separate them from the puck.
 
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Zero regrets on Carrier, It's nice that he's doing well in Montreal and I hope that continues for him. He had plenty of time to show that he wouldn't make or break the roster and we actually got a "prospect" out of it who could become something better. It's not like a Tolvanen or Tomasino deal where they didn't get a chance. And it's not like Fabbro where he was waived for nothing. At least there was some sense to the Carrier trade.
 
On a different note, I think that Wilson hit is exactly the type the NHL should be trying to phase out of the game. Probably won’t be a popular take, and I know that by the book it was probably a legal hit, but Carrier is probably concussed and that type of injury is extremely likely to come from a hit like that on that area of the ice. Just knowing what we now know, I’m not much of a fan of blowing guys up for the sake of it. It led to a goal, yes, but you don’t have to hammer a guy like that to separate them from the puck.
Only way to stop legal hits from causing injuries is to remove hitting. When you have the variances the NHL does in height, weight, and strength someone is always going to get injured.

Frankly I put Carrier's injury on his teammates. They poked the bear, don't complain when he wakes up.
 

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