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Post-Game Talk: #24 - 11/24/18 | capitals @ RANGERS | 2:00 - MSG, NHLN

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ReggieDunlop68 said:
I disagree. The Penguins have shown a tank can be carefullly orchestrated.
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If one team has done it right and the rest have not, it’s certainly not something that’s done easily. Which is my point. Many things have to fall into place to fail so badly and then get lucky enough to get that first pick. Or even pick two or three. It’s just not “let’s tank and get a great player”.
 
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Steve Kournianos said:
What are you complaining about?
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You intentionally made the term “franchise center” more vague than it really is.

The best center on a given team is not the “franchise player” in the general usage.

Doug Weight ended up having a very good career, but he was not a franchise center. No team was building around him with the intention of greatness and glory.

So if we lucked out, and Chytil even became nearly as good as Doug Weight, Chytil would still not be the centerpiece of the focus.

A franchise player [generally a center because of the nature of hockey] is a hypothetical player that if a team could again hypothetically by the snap of a finger start from a clean slate, they would pick such a player to build around who might not guarantee glory, but beyond reasonable doubt could carry a franchise to a succesful cup run or more.
 
I haven't enjoyed watching the Rangers as much as I do now in so long.

And if the Rangers trade Hayes they are NUTS! He is awesome and will only get better. And stronger if you can believe that.
 
ReggieDunlop68 said:
You intentionally made the term “franchise center” more vague than it really is.

The best center on a given team is not the “franchise player” in the general usage.

Doug Weight ended up having a very good career, but he was not a franchise center. No team was building around him with the intention of greatness and glory.

So if we lucked out, and Chytil even became nearly as good as Doug Weight, Chytil would still not be the centerpiece of the focus.

A franchise player [generally a center because of the nature of hockey] is a hypothetical player that if a team could again hypothetically by the snap of a finger start from a clean slate, they would pick such a player to build around who might not guarantee glory, but beyond reasonable doubt could carry a franchise to a succesful cup run or more.
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Doug Weight was actually quite similar to Kevin Hayes. Come to think of it.
 
ReggieDunlop68 said:
You intentionally made the term “franchise center” more vague than it really is.

The best center on a given team is not the “franchise player” in the general usage.

Doug Weight ended up having a very good career, but he was not a franchise center. No team was building around him with the intention of greatness and glory.

So if we lucked out, and Chytil even became nearly as good as Doug Weight, Chytil would still not be the centerpiece of the focus.

A franchise player [generally a center because of the nature of hockey] is a hypothetical player that if a team could again hypothetically by the snap of a finger start from a clean slate, they would pick such a player to build around who might not guarantee glory, but beyond reasonable doubt could carry a franchise to a succesful cup run or more.
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Oh please. Doug Weight was Edmonton’s Captain and led them in scoring in all seven of his full seasons. Weight was the reason they traded Jason Arnott, who was drafted in 1993 specifically to be their franchise center. He was their best player, all star and their franchise. Call up the Oilers pro shop and ask them the top selling jersey of active Oilers between 1994 and 2001. I’ll bet the farm it wasn’t Marius Czerkawski. You don’t need to be on the level of Crosby or McDavid to be considered a franchise player. Kirk Muller was New Jersey’s franchise center. Bernie Nicholls was LA’s franchise center. Trevor Linden was Vancouver’s franchise center. That’s why I said it’s subjective, relative to the roster and success of the team.

If Chytil leads the Rangers in scoring in seven of eight seasons, is team captain and represents them at all star games, he’ll be their franchise center.
 
Steve Kournianos said:
Oh please. Doug Weight was Edmonton’s Captain and led them in scoring in all seven of his full seasons. Weight was the reason they traded Jason Arnott, who was drafted in 1993 specifically to be their franchise center. He was their best player, all star and their franchise. Call up the Oilers pro shop and ask them the top selling jersey of active Oilers between 1994 and 2001. I’ll bet the farm it wasn’t Marius Czerkawski. You don’t need to be on the level of Crosby or McDavid to be considered a franchise player. Kirk Muller was New Jersey’s franchise center. Bernie Nicholls was LA’s franchise center. Trevor Linden was Vancouver’s franchise center. That’s why I said it’s subjective, relative to the roster and success of the team.

If Chytil leads the Rangers in scoring in seven of eight seasons, is team captain and represents them at all star games, he’ll be their franchise center.
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No it isnt. Just no. You are spliting hairs from the painfully obvious.
 
Rangers743 said:
That's how most teams that won cups built them
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By tanking? I doubt it. The Pens had years of 46 and 38 points before they got Lemieux so unless they tanked for two straight years I don’t buy it. Look at all the first overall picks without a cup, the list is long, McKinnon, Ekblad, Nugent-Hopkins, Lindros, Daigle, Kovalchuk. Man, the list goes on and on. Just cuz you have the first pick doesn’t mean your going to win a cup in the near future. Florida, Colorado And Edmonton are hardly cup favourites even with all the first overalls they’ve acquired.
 
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Messrules11 said:
By tanking? I doubt it. The Pens had years of 46 and 38 points before they got Lemieux so unless they tanked for two straight years I don’t buy it. Look at all the first overall picks without a cup, the list is long, McKinnon, Ekblad, Nugent-Hopkins, Lindros, Daigle, Kovalchuk. Man, the list goes on and on. Just cuz you have the first pick doesn’t mean your going to win a cup in the near future. Florida, Colorado And Edmonton are hardly cup favourites even with all the first overalls they’ve acquired.
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They did intentionally tank for Lemieux. There was a big controversy about it.
 
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Anyway, it’s the same dumb argument over and over.

Yes tanking is not a guarantee.

But historically, a planned bottoming out and collecting top 3 picks

is over 90% of the Stanley cup champions.

The other methods are fractions of a percent.

I feel as if people just know the Rangers wont do a full tank, so they are just arguing whethet water is wet or “hey ya never know”.

It’s a very, very simple answer that bottoming out most often leads to high end future success.

I mean people could stamp there feet on the ground, stick their fingers in their ears and say “well I don’t think its fair it works that way”


Well...idk what to tell you.
 
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@ReggieDunlop68 I agree with you concering drafting top elite talents and draft low as possible, but it need an own topic and most teams have a tank topic who are usually located bottom of half in the league here on HF.

About the game I felt we were not even close in this one - we had like 1 shot on goal after 10 min. in the 2nd. and then Skjei scored with our 2nd shot on goal, but after that it was all Caps - so we kind of deserved this loss.
 
Ori said:
@ReggieDunlop68 I agree with you concering drafting top elite talents and draft low as possible, but it need an own topic and most teams have a tank topic who are usually located bottom of half in the league here on HF.

About the game I felt we were not even close in this one - we had like 1 shot on goal after 10 min. in the 2nd. and then Skjei scored with our 2nd shot on goal, but after that it was all Caps - so we kind of deserved this loss.
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I’m not sure what you referring to. I’m here to talk about the game.
 
ReggieDunlop68 said:
I’m not sure what you referring to. I’m here to talk about the game.
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Fine but the last 5 pages it`s all about drafting and what is the future of Rangers franchise, and is Chytil a franchise player and questions like that?
I mention you, because you was online, and @Steve Kournianos had a discussion on the last page in this topic.

I don`t care who create a tank topic here, but Rangers should have one in my opinion so I created one, because this topic is way off topic for so many pages on this forum.
 
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