Rumor: 23-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part Trois: The Road to the Deadline
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henchman21
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I'd argue on the home board there is more petty BS... just like your annoying family member you have to jab from time to time.
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Can't go back and correct the past. The Manson contract never should've happened, Lehkonen to some extent is iffy due to positional value, and we all know the current Val situation.
Kadri is easily the top choice among those but at the time they may have felt otherwise because they still had the Newhook hope, maybe thought they could make the EJ trade, or find a cheaper replacement. None of that should stop them from trying to acquire Kadri now if he was available, which I doubt he is so it's moot.
Kadri is easily the top choice among those but at the time they may have felt otherwise because they still had the Newhook hope, maybe thought they could make the EJ trade, or find a cheaper replacement. None of that should stop them from trying to acquire Kadri now if he was available, which I doubt he is so it's moot.
henchman21
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This is the one that kills me the most. I have gripes elsewhere... but that Newhook miss on evaluation was just incredibly easy to see even prior to him being drafted. There was no way even prior to the draft that he should have been projected as a 2C, and given all the evidence they had after the draft and through the Cup, they should have very clearly seen that Newhook was not an answer.
LOFIN
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I'm sorry but no it's not. A 25G 60P, elite defensively, CLUTCH come playoff times winger signed for 5x4.5M is iffy in what f***ing way?
Ararana
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I'd keep Lehkonen over Rantanen, honestly.
*watches as people freak out because they think I said Lehkonen is better than Rantanen
henchman21
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Lehky away from the top line and power play is not a 60 point guy (arguably he hasn't been, just paced well last season in year 1 of the deal). He's a swiss army knife top 9 winger who can play on any of the lines, but not an offensive driver.
BobRossColton
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If anything Manson should've been a 3 year. That way he could've potentially been our own rental at this deadline..
Lehk and Nuke were great decisions. It's unfortunate that Nuke can't stay clean. Hopefully he turns it around from here and we don't have to deal with this constant question mark of will he be available or not.
Beat me to it but yeah, Lehkonen in no way shape or form is an iffy sign. Dude is worth his weight in gold at that contract.
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LOFIN
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And I'm not suggesting that he is. He's a really great complementary piece, that helps you win. And you have him for a bargain. You need those complementary pieces. And IMO, you could half the production from Lehkonen and he would still be worth his current contract because of his defensive impact.
It's hilarious when Nuke or Lehky get talked about as trade assets.
The team and system is built on the identity that Landeskog, Nuke, and Lehky bring.
We don't look anything like the cup team most nights, and it's no coincidence we haven't had all three in the lineup since then.
Having those three on different lines, and our defense as deep as it is made that team the nightmare it was to play against.
henchman21
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You did call him a 25g 60p guy in that. I'm simply saying if you played him in a different role you're looking more at a 15g 35p guy who will probably miss 10-15 games (producing around a 40-45 point rate). There is a pretty substantial difference in that level of production where offense is really what gets guys paid.
I don't personally have an issue with Lehky's contract. Where I think the issue lies is you have Landy at 7m, Rants at 9.25m (moving to 13 soon), Nuke at 6.125, and Lehky at 4.5. That is too much money invested for the top 6 wings, especially when you include how expensive the defense is too. It is poor cap management. Any chatter of moving Lehky is more about Lehky having actual value while redistributing cap... and the fact that Landy and Nuke are unmovable right now.
NateTheGreat
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Lehkonen is on an awesome contract. I’ll never understand the line of thinking that players who can produce when given time with top players and on the powerplay is any sort of knock on the player.
In my eyes it’s a fantastic attribute to have to be able to play with other top end players while not being quite as skilled as them and not look out of place. Mack loves playing with Lehky for a reason.
In my eyes it’s a fantastic attribute to have to be able to play with other top end players while not being quite as skilled as them and not look out of place. Mack loves playing with Lehky for a reason.
I don't think anyone is arguing that, in fact it's that very manageable number he's signed to that makes him a more moveable asset. If the Avs weren't so top-heavy on the wings it would be a different story.
NateTheGreat
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Anyone on a good contract is a more moveable asset. I've seen the argument made numerous times over the years on wingers like Kunitz, Dupuis, Hyman, Bunting, Lehkonen, it just doesn't make sense to me. You'd want a player who can produce with top guys and on the powerplay as opposed to players who can't.
Lehky is on a high quality 3rd liner's contract come October 2025.
There is no issue there IMO
There is no issue there IMO
henchman21
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It's the old 'Crosby can play with anybody and they can put up 60p' sort of thing. Lehky does all things you want in a complimentary winger. But without top line time, his contract just moves to fair value due to the offensive driving limitations he has. If he was a legit driver of offense like say Hagel in Tampa... he'd easily be worth 6.5+m. Without that driving ability, he's paid close to market. Teams will value him because he can play on any line with a variety of types of players. He's probably the 3rd most valuable forward on the team tradewise right now.
The crux of the whole issue is the Avs are likely to be in the 42-44% range being spent on wings next season (assuming Landy is back and Nuke is clean). Then the following season that likely goes over 50% if there isn't a significant change. That doesn't mean that Lehky should be the one to go... just that out of Rants, Landy, Nuke and Lehky, when healthy and clean, Lehky is a very clear 4th best.
niwotsblessing
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This. ^^^
Rants at $13 Mil is going to be a nightmare, and I hope it's some other team's bad dream.
henchman21
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It would likely be fine for 2-3 years... but the back end will be an anchor.
Raucherhusten
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If we pay Rants 13+ EVERYBODY has to be fired on the spot. I like this dude and his production on most nights, but if he demands a penny more than Pasta (and i don't care about a rising cap), his ass needs to be on the way out of town.
LOFIN
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He has the grounds to ask pretty much as much as Pasta, and like it or not, the cap rising is a thing.
I don't think they should pay Rantanen 13+ and I don't think they will. But I can see a world where he makes more than Pasta in an Avs uniform.
Boy for all y'alls yearning to get rid of Rants, you'll likely miss him when he's gone. I get he's been a pain in the arse this year but he's still been producing at a top line clip.
NateTheGreat
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This is why we need to trade him because he will absolutely ask for more than Pasta. We can’t pay him 13M+ just simply can’t do it. Matthews extended for 13.25 this past summer and he’s twice the player Mikko’s been this season.
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