Rumor: 23-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part Trois: The Road to the Deadline

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Foppa2118

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I agree with not going with JJ as 6D, but would the Avs have the assets to get a 2C, a good back up goalie and someone like Walker, and possibly Dowd? Never mind the cap space, but the Avs don’t have a 2nd, so the only valuable draft pick they have is a 1st.

They do have prospects like Ritchie they can trade I guess, I’m just not sure Avs management is gonna trade so much of their picks and prospects. They’ve known to be hesitant trading 1st round picks and stuff. If they can’t get rid of RyJo, it’s gonna be very hard trading for all those pieces and having teams retain salaries so they can fit everyone under the cap. Additionally they have to give up more if they want to include RyJo in a trade

I feel like people are just setting themselves up to be disappointed in the deadline.

Expecting the Avs to pay 1st round pick prices for roles like a 4C with Dowd, a 6D like Tanev, and a backup goalie like MAF, while still addressing 2C the way they want.

The Avs don't have the assets to bring in the best options for each role. It's just not realistic.
 

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I feel like people are just setting themselves up to be disappointed in the deadline.

Expecting the Avs to pay 1st round pick prices for roles like a 4C with Dowd, a 6D like Tanev, and a backup goalie like MAF, while still addressing 2C the way they want.

The Avs don't have the assets to bring in the best options for each role. It's just not realistic.



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I feel like people are just setting themselves up to be disappointed in the deadline.

Expecting the Avs to pay 1st round pick prices for roles like a 4C with Dowd, a 6D like Tanev, and a backup goalie like MAF, while still addressing 2C the way they want.

The Avs don't have the assets to bring in the best options for each role. It's just not realistic.
Yup. I can see them trading for center but not like a high end 2C. Maybe another Colton type, and they just have to get a back up goalie. There is no way this team can go to playoffs with Georgiev/Annunen tandem
 

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Agree to disagree big time on that.

Olofsson had an OK start but he's clearly not cut out for full time 4C duties. 4C is absolutely a pretty significant weakness in the roster today. Plus, what happens if Colton gets hurt in the playoffs. Olofsson would get eaten alive at 3C.


There's two really great things about Dowd. Well actually 3 things.


1. Not only would he be a fantastic 4C, he's also capable of stepping into a 3C role if the situation calls for it.

2. He's signed for next year as well. So it solves one of the many roster configuration questions for next year as well.

3. Not only is he signed, but presumably he's going to be traded at 50% retention. That means getting your 4C for just $650k next year. That's absurdly cheap. Literally cheaper then a league minimum 4C would cost.




IMO if the Avs can dump RyJo, and get a quality 4C for 2 playoff runs at the cost of just a 1st round pick... That's simply great value. Keep in mind dumping RyJo alone will cost us a 2nd in the summer.
If healthy:

Drouin - Mack - Rants
Nuke - #2C - Lehky
Landy - Colton - LOC
Wood - Cogs - Parise
Kovalenko/Olofsson/Kirvanta

I just don't think who plays #4C means much compared to the other holes. If we've already traded for a #2C, #2RD, and #2G while still having a 1st to throw at Dowd... then why not, but i'll be surprised if we do.
 
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Yup. I can see them trading for center but not like a high end 2C. Maybe another Colton type, and they just have to get a back up goalie. There is no way this team can go to playoffs with Georgiev/Annunen tandem

I hope Jenner is still an option, but I have a feeling it may be Wennberg.

Not the best option, becasue he's basically scored at a 40 point pace the last 7 years, but one of the best plug and play options to fit Bednar's system. He's a good playmaker though, so maybe he clicks with better line mates, and has an uptick in production.

Really, the most important contribution a 2C is gonna have on this Avs team is being able to skate, and forecheck hard enough to maintain possession in the O zone, and allow Nuke and Lehky to drive that line and score goals.

It doesn't get mentioned enough how good Val has become and how key he is to the Avs success. If you pay attention, all their games recently have been ones where they could really benefit from Val's net front presence, and drive to the net to create havoc.

It changes the entire makeup of a game, and the mentality and confidence of their opponent.

The opposing team could have a hell of a game defensively shutting down the Avs top guys, and their goalie could be standing on his head, making them play with tons of confidence, but that all goes out the window with one or two goals from Val screening the goalie on a point shot, or just out battling someone for a rebound chance.
 

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I hope Jenner is still an option, but I have a feeling it may be Wennberg.

Not the best option, becasue he's basically scored at a 40 point pace the last 7 years, but one of the best plug and play options to fit Bednar's system. He's a good playmaker though, so maybe he clicks with better line mates, and has an uptick in production.

Really, the most important contribution a 2C is gonna have on this Avs team is being able to skate, and forecheck hard enough to maintain possession in the O zone, and allow Nuke and Lehky to drive that line and score goals.

It doesn't get mentioned enough how good Val has become and how key he is to the Avs success. If you pay attention, all their games recently have been ones where they could really benefit from Val's net front presence, and drive to the net to create havoc.

It changes the entire makeup of a game, and the mentality and confidence of their opponent.

The opposing team could have a hell of a game defensively shutting down the Avs top guys, and their goalie could be standing on his head, making them play with tons of confidence, but that all goes out the window with one or two goals from Val screening the goalie on a point shot, or just out battling someone for a rebound chance.
John Davidson said Jenner is not going anywhere so we can forget that option. Don’t know what to think of Wennberg. Like you said, Avs just need someone who can play in Bednar’s system, provide offense and be good defensively as a 2C. It doesn’t have to be a PPG player or anything
 

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Any chance the Avs try to move on from Nuke at the deadline in a hockey trade? He is still a borderline elite player, but the predictability/stability is problematic and the Avs could use to maybe clear up cap space moving forward to improve other areas.

Maybe a Nuke for Guentzel type swap, where one team is needing something right now and wanting an expiring contract possibly where another team might see the value in the next year(s) time frame the other player provides.
 

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I know I’m late on this but I want Mittelstadt. Guy has developed into a really good player and he might also be the best of the realistic options at the TDL. Kinda like the forward version of Bo with how he runs his mouth and pisses people off.
 
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Foppa2118

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John Davidson said Jenner is not going anywhere so we can forget that option. Don’t know what to think of Wennberg. Like you said, Avs just need someone who can play in Bednar’s system, provide offense and be good defensively as a 2C. It doesn’t have to be a PPG player or anything

Yeah I know. Some think that he may just be saying that for leverage, but it sounded fairly definitive to me.

That said, I think Davidson is also saying whatever he has to in order to keep his job, and has stretched the truth in order to do so.
 

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If healthy:

Drouin - Mack - Rants
Nuke - #2C - Lehky
Landy - Colton - LOC
Wood - Cogs - Parise
Kovalenko/Olofsson/Kirvanta

I just don't think who plays #4C means much compared to the other holes. If we've already traded for a #2C, #2RD, and #2G while still having a 1st to throw at Dowd... then why not, but i'll be surprised if we do.

Again, don't see how that's a good spot. Cogs isn't a Center, has regressed pretty hard this year, and if Colton gets hurt you're kind of f***ed.

You could even attempt to kill 2 birds with 1 stone on a Dowd trade and grab Lindgren as well for the backup.

IMO the 4C spot is a bigger concern then the RD. I'd be going after a 4C before a RD. I'd order the team needs right now as:

2C
Big gap
2G
Small gap
4C
2/3 RD
 

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4. Colorado’s search for a centre may take them through Arizona. They know Alex Kerfoot, and could also consider Nick Bjugstad. Another Coyote name to watch is Michael Carcone, who was red-hot earlier in the season. He’s got 15 goals.

😂😂😂

I'll take "none of the above" for f***ing one million, Alex.

I'll seriously put a grade 10 student through a table if the Avs go bargain bin shopping in Arizona.
 

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4. Colorado’s search for a centre may take them through Arizona. They know Alex Kerfoot, and could also consider Nick Bjugstad. Another Coyote name to watch is Michael Carcone, who was red-hot earlier in the season. He’s got 15 goals.

😂😂😂

If this is the plan, someone needs to step in to squash any deals and fire CMac before he wastes any more of our assets on half-measures. Don’t care if it leads to another first round exit. Either make worthwhile moves or don’t make any at all. Our GM cannot possibly be this stupid.
 
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