Rumor: 23-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part Trois: The Road to the Deadline

[Avs_19]

Dowd at that price? Dumba potentially in the top four?

I'd rather CMac do nothing.

 

[henchman21]

The directive from FSG to Dubas was keep Sully and the core. Give it another shot. When it is clear it is over (you’d hope FSG would see that now), then he would have the time to rebuild.

My guess is FSG forces one more kick at the can next year before allowing it all to be torn down.

 

[Perratrooper]

Norris missed 16 games in 2022 and 74 games in 2023. And he makes 7.95 M. It’s no wonder that he’s the one Ottawa wants to trade.

He missed essentially all that time due to one shoulder injury if I’m not mistaken. While not great that he’s missed that time and another 7 games so far this year. With that being said he’s a player who could be worth the risk. Outside of one season where we appears to have gotten bad advice, he’s played a similar amount of games to MacKinnon. Not ideal, but Byram hasn’t been a picture of perfect health either.

The $7.95m is the new $6-6.5m from when MacK, Monahan, Gudreau, Hall, Eberle, RNH, etc. signed.

 

[shadow1]

I believe the insiders linking Colorado to Dumba, Tanev, and Walker. Personnel wise, the Avalanche's top-6 is very good (performance wise has been a different story). However, they're an injury away from Caleb Jones or Sam Malinski in the line-up.

I know that doesn't sound horrible, but consider this: Jones hasn't played in a month, and during his last two games (7:21, 5:23) he barely saw the ice. No way the coaching staff trusts him in a playoff game; it would be shades of Brad Hunt's 0:41 ice time in Game 7 last year.

Malinski has shown promise this year, and I think he'd easily be the coaching staff's preferred option over Jones. But I question how much the coaches would want to lean on the rookie in the playoffs given how little he's played; especially considering neither Jones (0:10) nor Malinski (0:03) have been trusted on the PK.

Last deadline, pending UFAs Gostisbehere, Kulikov, Schenn all went for 3rd Round Picks. If the market remains the same, that's a reasonable price to pay for Dumba or a similarly mediocre veteran. I don't see the Avs landing Tanev or Walker considering the premium they'll cost, but I've been shocked before (Manson trade). Of course, there's the $5 DVD bin option of bringing Erik Johnson back, which would unfortunately match Colorado's trade deadline MO (Nemeth, Soderberg, Nieto, JJ).

 

[Perratrooper]

I don't get the fascination with trading a first-round pick for Jim Dowd. I don't care how little he makes, he doesn't move the needle at all. Less impactful than Lars Eller.

I think Dowd and Lindgrem solve two he’s in our lineup with high quality players. Dowd is on the edge of being a 3C and has some term. Lindgren has been a good backup numbers for two seasons at a very reasonable cap hit. Getting a bottom pair defenseman with size for playoffs thrown in I think is good value for a late first round pick. It’s not sexy, but it does address roster holes.

 

[John Mandalorian]

He missed essentially all that time due to one shoulder injury if I’m not mistaken. While not great that he’s missed that time and another 7 games so far this year. With that being said he’s a player who could be worth the risk. Outside of one season where we appears to have gotten bad advice, he’s played a similar amount of games to MacKinnon. Not ideal, but Byram hasn’t been a picture of perfect health either.

The $7.95m is the new $6-6.5m from when MacK, Monahan, Gudreau, Hall, Eberle, RNH, etc. signed.

Byram is already on the team, so he costs nothing to acquire. Byram also doesn't make 8 million per year.

This must be discussed with proper context. Who are the Avs going to lose to make room for thos injury prone salary?

 

[henchman21]

Avs need a RD so linking to them makes sense. A guy like Walker would add a ton to the defense and be a perfect partner for Byram.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Avs need a RD so linking to them makes sense. A guy like Walker would add a ton to the defense and be a perfect partner for Byram.

Feel like it’d make sense for Philly to keep Walker and pair him with Drysdale no? Especially if the Flyers make the playoffs .

 

[henchman21]

Feel like it’d make sense for Philly to keep Walker and pair him with Drysdale no? Especially if the Flyers make the playoffs .

Ideally Drysdale gets a left shot partner. I doubt they have played more than random shifts together.

Danny boy has stated he’s likely to makes moves even while in a playoff spot. To ‘not get attached’ to players.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Ideally Drysdale gets a left shot partner. I doubt they have played more than random shifts together.

Danny boy has stated he’s likely to makes moves even while in a playoff spot. To ‘not get attached’ to players.

I forgot Drysdales a righty lol. But I just assume everyones a lefty so

 

[Bender]

I don't get the fascination with trading a first-round pick for Jim Dowd. I don't care how little he makes, he doesn't move the needle at all. Less impactful than Lars Eller.

When you watch that game last night and how we got smoked on faceoffs the majority of the night, you can see how a guy like Dowd would be a nice add to this lineup.

But a 1st round pick has never been the value for 4th line players. You can't blame McClellan for trying especially after getting a 2nd for Eller last year but that's just ridiculous.

Traditionally, teams don't pay more than a 3rd round pick for 4th line player - even really good ones though I guess when teams get desperate they can overpay but that's usually with a prospect.

There are other options like Sam Carrick who shouldn't cost more than a 3rd or a middling prospect.

 

[henchman21]

When you watch that game last night and how we got smoked on faceoffs the majority of the night, you can see how a guy like Dowd would be a nice add to this lineup.

But a 1st round pick has never been the value for 4th line players. You can't blame McClellan for trying especially after getting a 2nd for Eller last year but that's just ridiculous.

Traditionally, teams don't pay more than a 3rd round pick for 4th line player - even really good ones though I guess when teams get desperate they can overpay but that's usually with a prospect.

There are other options like Sam Carrick who shouldn't cost more than a 3rd or a middling prospect.

 

[Balthazar]

Danny boy has stated he’s likely to makes moves even while in a playoff spot. To ‘not get attached’ to players.

I really like that. Stick to the plan and never take shortcuts.

He inherited Torts which was terrible for his plan though, I don't see that lasting very long.

 

[henchman21]

I really like that. Stick to the plan.

He inherited Torts which was terrible for his plan though, I don't see that lasting very long.

Why on Torts? Torts has been fantastic there (like he always is sans Vancouver). Yeah maybe Torts is winning too early, but Philly has a good base of assets to build on and some tweaks and they can have a pretty good team.

Briere is also part of the reason Torts is there.

 

[Pokecheque]

Avs need a RD so linking to them makes sense. A guy like Walker would add a ton to the defense and be a perfect partner for Byram.

They do really, really need another RD who can skate. Especially if they insist on keeping the PK system they currently have. Manson and Johnson simply can't do it.

 

[Balthazar]

Why on Torts? Torts has been fantastic there (like he always is sans Vancouver). Yeah maybe Torts is winning too early, but Philly has a good base of assets to build on and some tweaks and they can have a pretty good team.

Torts is a shortcut guy. The coach you hire to win with shit teams.

Briere wants a full rebuild. He openly said that everyone is available.

 

[henchman21]

Torts is a shortcut guy. The coach you hire to win with shit teams.

Briere wants a full rebuild. He openly said that everyone is available.

I don't agree at all that he's a shortcut cut guy... he's a culture builder. He may clash with young skilled guys at times, but he gets guys to play the right way and not cheat the game. He builds accountability and forces leaders to step up.

And he can still do that...

 

[Pokecheque]

Torts is a shortcut guy. The coach you hire to win with shit teams.

Briere wants a full rebuild. He openly said that everyone is available.

Better to at least get a guy in there who will get the very most out of players and thereby increase their value than a guy who doesn't and they sell those guys off a discount prices (which has happened way too often in Philly).

And say what you will about Torts (and I've said plenty both good and bad about the guy) but he came in with a mandate to change the culture, and he's done just that. And as much as that term gets bandied about too much, it is really important to change that culture even before you start truly rebuilding. Because if you don't, it might lead to the situations we're seeing in Buffalo and Columbus.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

I don't get the fascination with trading a first-round pick for Jim Dowd. I don't care how little he makes, he doesn't move the needle at all. Less impactful than Lars Eller.

When you watch that game last night and how we got smoked on faceoffs the majority of the night, you can see how a guy like Dowd would be a nice add to this lineup.

But a 1st round pick has never been the value for 4th line players. You can't blame McClellan for trying especially after getting a 2nd for Eller last year but that's just ridiculous.

Traditionally, teams don't pay more than a 3rd round pick for 4th line player - even really good ones though I guess when teams get desperate they can overpay but that's usually with a prospect.

There are other options like Sam Carrick who shouldn't cost more than a 3rd or a middling prospect.

The point was to trade a 1st rounder for him as part of the condition that Washington agreed to take RyJo in the deal. No, you don't trade a 1st for a 4th line guy. However, when you have to get rid of a guy who doesn't fit your team, a guy who makes $8M and kills your cap for the next season ($4M cap hit), and a guy who has another year left on his deal, you have to pay to get rid of him. They can't really afford to buy him out. So, the suggested deal was RyJo + 1st for Dowd.

 

[henchman21]

They do really, really need another RD who can skate. Especially if they insist on keeping the PK system they currently have. Manson and Johnson simply can't do it.

Yup... he'd improve the defense tremendously. Push Manson down, give Byram a good partner who can cover for him and his wildman ways, and add a legit PK option to limit the harder minutes for Makar.

 

[Pokecheque]

I don't agree at all that he's a shortcut cut guy... he's a culture builder. He may clash with young skilled guys at times, but he gets guys to play the right way and not cheat the game. He builds accountability and forces leaders to step up.

And he can still do that...

Ron Wilson was a shortcut guy. A really bad coach who knew just enough to get the most out of grinders to get some good results right away but ultimately wore out his welcome in record time. I don't think Torts is the same.

 

[henchman21]

Ron Wilson was a shortcut guy. A really bad coach who knew just enough to get the most out of grinders to get some good results right away but ultimately wore out his welcome in record time. I don't think Torts is the same.

Yeah Gallant is the modern shortcut guy. He will come in, get the best out of guys for 18-24 months, then you move the F on.

 

[Gumballhead]

When you watch that game last night and how we got smoked on faceoffs the majority of the night, you can see how a guy like Dowd would be a nice add to this lineup.

But a 1st round pick has never been the value for 4th line players. You can't blame McClellan for trying especially after getting a 2nd for Eller last year but that's just ridiculous.

Traditionally, teams don't pay more than a 3rd round pick for 4th line player - even really good ones though I guess when teams get desperate they can overpay but that's usually with a prospect.

There are other options like Sam Carrick who shouldn't cost more than a 3rd or a middling prospect.

I liked what I saw from Dowd against us last week. Not a big needle mover (no Nuke jokes!) but he’d put some charge into the 4th line. Put him with Cogs and Parise.

 

[The Moops]

But a 1st round pick has never been the value for 4th line players. You can't blame McClellan for trying especially after getting a 2nd for Eller last year but that's just ridiculous.

He saw CMac coming a mile away last year and now he's hoping he can double dip and get Dowd for a 1st haha

Legit looks just like my friends mugshot. Uncanny. I need to send this to him

 

[nammerus]

Dowd at that price? Dumba potentially in the top four?

I'd rather CMac do nothing.

Don’t worry. He’ll do nothing.