Rumor: 23-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part Trois: The Road to the Deadline

[Bill Peckerskull]

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

This might change some things for Boston come trade deadline.

 

[Avs_19]

The Pens are such a mess. I get wanting to keep it going as long as possible but they're even years past that point now. Just read LeBrun's article where he says they're willing to listen on everyone except the core. They're still doing this.

Now, I doubt many teams are lining up to take any of those contracts anyways except Crosby. Malkin, Rust, Rakell, Karlsson, Letang, Graves, and Jarry are all contracts I wouldn't take on. That's SEVEN bad long-term deals on one team. Yikes.

 

[PAZ]

The Pens are such a mess. I get wanting to keep it going as long as possible but they're even years past that point now. Just read LeBrun's article where he says they're willing to listen on everyone except the core. They're still doing this.

Now, I doubt many teams are lining up to take any of those contracts anyways except Crosby. Malkin, Rust, Rakell, Karlsson, Letang, Graves, and Jarry are all contracts I wouldn't take on. That's SEVEN bad long-term deals on one team. Yikes.

Think you're overstating how bad some of these contracts are. Karlsson, Graves and Rakell all are pretty bad deals, but Jarry, Rust, Malkin, and Letang could get moved pretty easily, especially if they retained $1-2 mil.

 

[Avs44]

The Pens are such a mess. I get wanting to keep it going as long as possible but they're even years past that point now. Just read LeBrun's article where he says they're willing to listen on everyone except the core. They're still doing this.

Now, I doubt many teams are lining up to take any of those contracts anyways except Crosby. Malkin, Rust, Rakell, Karlsson, Letang, Graves, and Jarry are all contracts I wouldn't take on. That's SEVEN bad long-term deals on one team. Yikes.

Yeah -- they took a hail mary shot with Karlsson and it hasn't worked out. It made sense at the time. I am shocked Dubas hasn't taken the next logical step and fired Sullivan to see if a new voice in the room could give them a spark, though. I can't figure out why Sullivan has such job protection.

Ultimately, as long as Crosby wants to stay and finish his career in Pittsburgh, the Penguins are probably going to feel compelled to not go nuclear and start cleaning house for a proper rebuild. They'll consciously doom themselves to our late career/post-retirement Sakic years in order to let their legends leave on their own terms.

 

[AvStock]

If Ritchie extends our window then Byram does the same. I'm not trading Byram except for an extreme over payment (EP40). I'll punt Girard to the moon long before even thinking of trading #4.

 

[Grigowski]

I see what you are saying. Your original post sounded like you didn't think it would cost a dman the past summer to get a 2C. My bad.

Everything fine Dude!

 

[JLo217]

So right now, the rumours have us after right handed defensemen, expensive back up goalies, and wingers?

Makes sense

600 days w/o a 2C and we aren't looking for a 2C... lol

 

[Ararana]

Apologies if this was previous posted from last night, I didn't see it though



Only reason I could see the Avs looking at another defenseman would be if one of Girard/Byram goes out in another trade.

 

[Avs44]

Acquiring another defensman even if we don't trade anyone from the current roster makes sense to me...I have no idea how they'd manage it cap-wise, of course, but the team could absolutely use a quality third pairing right handed defender. Injuries happen, come playoffs, and I'd rather Jack Johnson be the #7 ready to step in than...MacDermid.

 

[JLo217]

Apologies if this was previous posted from last night, I didn't see it though



Only reason I could see the Avs looking at another defenseman would be if one of Girard/Byram goes out in another trade.

He's got some jam, and he gets under players skin. I think he'd be a good addition if they do ship out a D as well. Good third pairing option. I don't think he's worth what Phoenix sounds like they want though. Even with retention.

Acquiring another defensman even if we don't trade anyone from the current roster makes sense to me...I have no idea how they'd manage it cap-wise, of course, but the team could absolutely use a quality third pairing right handed defender. Injuries happen, come playoffs, and I'd rather Jack Johnson be the #7 ready to step in than...MacDermid.

Just find someone to put on the IR. Just like Eichel lol

 

[Ararana]

Acquiring another defensman even if we don't trade anyone from the current roster makes sense to me...I have no idea how they'd manage it cap-wise, of course, but the team could absolutely use a quality third pairing right handed defender. Injuries happen, come playoffs, and I'd rather Jack Johnson be the #7 ready to step in than...MacDermid.

Seems like such a weird position to spend assets on given other significant needs...

 

[dahrougem2]

You don't win with players like Dumba. All tools, no brain. If he had a brain the guy would be a bonafide #1 defenseman and secured to a long term deal in Minnesota.

Pass. Easy, easy pass. You don't move assets for an in-his-prime Jack Johnson.

 

[UncleRisto]

There's that 2C.

 

[Avs44]

Seems like such a weird position to spend assets on given other significant needs...

I mean, they should be spending assets at multiple positions. They could use a third pairing RHD to replace the EJ role and to bump JJ to #7; they need a backup goalie; they need a #2 center. If they're confident Nuke will return and Landy will give it a go in the playoffs then the only place they're set is on the wings.

We need a repeat (not in terms of positons, but aggressiveness) of that 2022 deadline where they addressed three different needs in Manson, Lehkonen, and Cogliano.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Apologies if this was previous posted from last night, I didn't see it though



Only reason I could see the Avs looking at another defenseman would be if one of Girard/Byram goes out in another trade.

I mean I think it makes plenty of sense even if we keep all our dmen. We 100% need an upgrade on JJ and Malinski isn’t really the type of dman needed to replace him.

Not sure how it’d work cap or asset wise, but if you could get Dumba at 2mil or less our defense would be stacked.

Toews-Makar
Girard-Dumba
Byram-Manson

 

[Ararana]

I mean I think it makes plenty of sense even if we keep all our dmen. We 100% need an upgrade on JJ and Malinski isn’t really the type of dman needed to replace him.

Not sure how it’d work cap or asset wise, but if you could get Dumba at 2mil or less our defense would be stacked.

Toews-Makar
Girard-Dumba
Byram-Manson

Maybe cMac has completely given up on the idea of a 2C and went full "defense wins championships" mode.

 

[The Abusement Park]

You don't win with players like Dumba. All tools, no brain. If he had a brain the guy would be a bonafide #1 defenseman and secured to a long term deal in Minnesota.

Pass. Easy, easy pass. You don't move assets for an in-his-prime Jack Johnson.

I mean the dude would come here to be a depth piece. He‘s not someone you win with as an important part of your D core. But as a 4D, which he‘d be at the absolute most he’d be more than fine.

Maybe cMac has completely given up on the idea of a 2C and went full "defense wins championships" mode.

I mean if Dumba was the only move that’d be an issue obviously. But there‘s no reason he couldn’t add Dumba and a C, and if he did that’d be 2 huge moves that would put us in a great spot to contend for a cup again.

 

[Freaky Styley]

You don't win with players like Dumba. All tools, no brain. If he had a brain the guy would be a bonafide #1 defenseman and secured to a long term deal in Minnesota.

Pass. Easy, easy pass. You don't move assets for an in-his-prime Jack Johnson.

I agree I'm not a fan, but I'd pay a nice price for Tanev as a rental. No doubt there's a bidding war..

I don't mind having JJ as our #6 going into the playoffs this year, I think he's been quite solid. Sure, ideally he's the #7 but all signs point to us moving a D. I think if we add some experience on the bottom pair and have Malinski as the #7 it's manageable..

NHL rosters are just diluted more than the past, there's 32 teams now so having solid depth is harder. With Jones, Malinski, Hunt as scratches we are in decent shape if the bottom pair already has 2 solid defensive D (although not a huge fan of this kind of pair)

i.e.

Toews- Makar
Girard - Tanev
JJ - Manson
Malinski/Jones

 

[Perratrooper]

Land one of Norris, Mits or Cozens and our long term outlook quickly starts to look pretty good down the middle.

I think Norris could had for a semi-reasonably price and has a lot of attributes that fit perfectly with out style of play.

If we could pull off Byram+RyJo+2024 first for Norris we essentially move the exact money in and out for Norris.

We could then do a secondary trade of MacDermaid+ 2025 first 2024 fourth for Dowd+Lindgren+Edmudson(50%)

This year we could run with:

Drouin-MacK-Rantanen
Lehkonen-Norris-Nuke
Wood-Colton-Parise
Cogliano-Dowd-LOC

Toews-Makar
Girard-Manson
Edmudson-Malinski

Georigev
Lindgren

 

[Ceremony]

A lot of talk in here as if we're not getting EJ back (we definitely are)

 

[Toothless Legend]

Apologies if this was previous posted from last night, I didn't see it though



Only reason I could see the Avs looking at another defenseman would be if one of Girard/Byram goes out in another trade.

Even at 50% retained, if the Avs, TB, or Dal give up any decent asset for him, Schmaltz's Freudian slip of "sniffing the glue" would prove to be extremely accurate.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Land one of Norris, Mits or Cozens and our long term outlook quickly starts to look pretty good down the middle.

I think Norris could had for a semi-reasonably price and has a lot of attributes that fit perfectly with out style of play.

If we could pull off Byram+RyJo+2024 first for Norris we essentially move the exact money in and out for Norris.

We could then do a secondary trade of MacDermaid+ 2025 first 2024 fourth for Dowd+Lindgren+Edmudson(50%)

This year we could run with:

Drouin-MacK-Rantanen
Lehkonen-Norris-Nuke
Wood-Colton-Parise
Cogliano-Dowd-LOC

Toews-Makar
Girard-Manson
Edmudson-Malinski

Georigev
Lindgren

Norris missed 16 games in 2022 and 74 games in 2023. And he makes 7.95 M. It’s no wonder that he’s the one Ottawa wants to trade.

 

[MacKaRant]

I don't get the fascination with trading a first-round pick for Jim Dowd. I don't care how little he makes, he doesn't move the needle at all. Less impactful than Lars Eller.

 

[Pokecheque]

Yeah -- they took a hail mary shot with Karlsson and it hasn't worked out. It made sense at the time. I am shocked Dubas hasn't taken the next logical step and fired Sullivan to see if a new voice in the room could give them a spark, though. I can't figure out why Sullivan has such job protection.

Ultimately, as long as Crosby wants to stay and finish his career in Pittsburgh, the Penguins are probably going to feel compelled to not go nuclear and start cleaning house for a proper rebuild. They'll consciously doom themselves to our late career/post-retirement Sakic years in order to let their legends leave on their own terms.

To his credit, Sullivan does seem pretty apt at getting the most out of that lineup, or at least he was. I personally really like his system--like Bednar he has his guys play responsible defense without turning the game into an unwatchable slog.

In hindsight, they probably should've just let Rutherford do whatever it is he was gonna do. Reportedly he wanted to deal Letang and ownership at the time blocked him, so he quit. Might not have worked but Rutherford acknowledged that the core as it was comprised was not going to make it back into contention.