Rumor: 23-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part Trois: The Road to the Deadline

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AvsCOL

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Man, if we can get a bit more out of Byram, and Girard continues his great play, I love that defensive core going into the playoffs. I’m not changing a thing there.


As for RyJo, I’m hoping a few decent games doesn’t erase the fact that he’s been dead weight since November. He’s gotta go.
 

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Man, if we can get a bit more out of Byram, and Girard continues his great play, I love that defensive core going into the playoffs. I’m not changing a thing there.

I´d says one will have to go to solve our big hole 2C up front. Thanks to our GM gambling last summer......

I dont see this D-core as it is right now playing in Game 1 of the playoffs.
 

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We are almost exactly at the one year mark of Ryjos surgery. Is it coincidence that he pops off with 2 goals on this anniversary? I think not and I think Ryjo 2C is here to stay. Buckle up!
 
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I think it still stands that if the Avs find a way to fit in a center without selling RyJo, they don't have to do it and won't.
 
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Didn't realize the Avs were so bad on the road.

Home, 1st in win%, 1st in scoring, 8th in goals against, 4th on the PP, 4th on the PK
Away, t-19th in win%, 15th in scoring, 26th in goals against, 17th on PP, 14th on PK

It's almost as if they matchup vs Mack line on the road with last change, and Avs depth can't do squat.
Don't worry about Home and Away records because I was told having home ice in the playoffs doesn't matter.
 
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BUF's AGM has to be scouting Byram on the right side. That is three games in a row now I think. If it is the case I really hope it is for Mitts and not Cozen. I'm really not a fan of Cozen's hockey IQ.
Strangely enough, that seems to be around the same time that Byram has 'woken up' and started playing a ton better.

I wonder - did they say 'hey we've got some interest but you're going to have to play your best if we're going to be able to trade you' - maybe in response to a trade request? That's just speculation on my part but I have to believe that Byram probably wants to have some sort of opportunity to play on the PP - at some point - and he's just not getting that here.

From the Sabres, they have some pretty interesting center options :

Tage Thompson -> the guy has unreal talent but needs better structure to his game. I'd be surprised if the Sabres traded that guy but I personally don't believe kevyn adams is a good GM so anything is possible. In the BUF game I saw a few weeks back, he was easily the most talented forward on the ice but he didn't seem to work within a system (if any). I do believe that coaching is a huge issue with the Sabres and a big reason why they aren't a playoff team right now.

Dylan Cozens -> after a slow start where he only put up 11 points in 23 games, he's bounced back nicely with 22 points in his last 29 games. I personally have zero problem with his hockey IQ... he's a good skater and puts in the work defensively. I think he's probably already reached his ceiling offensively and is likely to be a 60 point guy but that's already pretty damn good at that age. I would love it if we acquired him, I think he would fit this team very nicely.

Casey Mittelstadt -> he's come a massively long way since those days around 4 years ago when we Avs fans were wondering if we should do a Jost for Mittelstadt, 1-for-1 trade or not. (well, they ended up with both!) His $2.5M contract would be fantastic for the cap this season but if you're trading for him you have to be mindful that there's an extension coming this summer as well. He's got arbitration rights and is coming off a 59 point season last year and on pace for a 65 point season this season. So you're looking at the low-end - let's say Dylan Strome who signed a $5M X 5 year contract in the midst of a 65 point season with the Caps and on the high-end, PLD signed a $8.5M X 8 year contract coming off a 63 point season with the Jets, both those guys were around 25 years old RFAs as well, so it's gonna be for sure in that range which is pretty wide. I would think he's the likely target but you never know... those posts from @SoundwaveIsCharisma could have made all the difference in the world a few weeks back! :laugh:
 

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I´d says one will have to go to solve our big hole 2C up front. Thanks to our GM gambling last summer......

I dont see this D-core as it is right now playing in Game 1 of the playoffs.
What do you think the most likely outcome would have been if the 2C was fixed during the summer....yup most likely a dman would be gone.
 

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I think it still stands that if the Avs find a way to fit in a center without selling RyJo, they don't have to do it and won't.
It's doable for this season depending on who they trade for a center. And it might be smart, as RyJo is probably a better player than Olofsson. But no way he can be around next year,
 

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Strangely enough, that seems to be around the same time that Byram has 'woken up' and started playing a ton better.

If it is Byram they're looking at, man that would really suck for Bo. Going from being stuck behind Makar for PP1 to being stuck behind Dahlin for PP1 is a parallel move for him at best. And that's not even considering whatever the hell Owen Power becomes.

He's basically in the same spot but on a team that's much further away from competing for a cup. I imagine if Byram wants out it's because he wants more opportunities, and I personally don't think the Avs trade Byram unless he asks for it.
 
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How would you fit another center without getting rid of RyJo? There is no cap space. Not to mention the Avs still need a back up goalie.

Again, CMac is not trading Byram or Girard or Manson. Unless they LTIR Nuke, it’s impossible. Maybe they can get another cheap 3rd or 4th line center with retention that will only cost a mill or something, but you’re not gonna get a significant upgrade at 2C or a high end 3C without sending RyJo the other way
 

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Do we really need a 2c tho?

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How would you fit another center without getting rid of RyJo? There is no cap space. Not to mention the Avs still need a back up goalie.

Again, CMac is not trading Byram or Girard or Manson. Unless they LTIR Nuke, it’s impossible. Maybe they can get another cheap 3rd or 4th line center with retention that will only cost a mill or something, but you’re not gonna get a significant upgrade at 2C or a high end 3C without sending RyJo the other way
He's very unlikely to move Manson but the other 2 guys? Why not ?

Especially when you consider that one of the reasons we have a hole at #2C is because the Avs weren't going to trade either Byram or Girard without being sure that they were going to be able to lock-up Devon Toews first. That happened in October and now that it has, one of the massively obvious reasons why we have that giant hole at #2C is because we have a d-man playing on the 3rd pairing that is either making $3.85M or $5M... either way you slice it, that's not going to work long-term.

Besides, what version of Cap Friendly are you looking at ? The one that has 13 forwards and 8 d-men currently counting towards the cap? The Avs could choose to send down Caleb Jones and Chris Wagner (risking losing them on waivers but still) and keep MacDermid as the extra D/F and then they'd have $2.425M in cap space for the trade deadline.

THEN, if they still needed more cap space and needed to create more, if they can't straight up move Ryjo to another team, they could just put him on waivers and if no one picks him up, they can send him down for roughly an extra $1M in cap space buried in the AHL. So that's around $3.5M in cap space.

For reference, Casey Mittelstadt's cap hit is $2.5M this year.
 
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Someone from TSN mentioned we had interest in Tanev too. It would make sense if Byram talks have escalated
We could theoretically trade for dumba even if we kept Byram (shift Byram back to LD and then have JJ as the 7D).

But it’s much more likely what you said - it really makes sense if we’re willing to consider moving Byram, especially for a guy like Mittlestadt.
 

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As much as it would pain me to lose Byram, if it solves the 2C issue long-term, then so be it.

I'd still prefer to plug that hole with a futures trade of Ritchie + or Girard but if teams aren't biting on that not much you can do. Plus a futures move would require a RyJo trade which might be easier said than done at this juncture.

I think CMac & co realize it's better to have a 2C than Byram playing 3rd pairing minutes. We can easily get a guy to replace him there
 

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Do we even want dumba? Only makes sense if we r trading someone


As you say, it only makes sense if we traded a D-Man for a C but yeah he's a massive pain in the ass to play against... if the price is right, go get him but they shouldn't be giving up premium assets to do so.
 

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He's very unlikely to move Manson but the other 2 guys? Why not ?

Especially when you consider that one of the reasons we have a hole at #2C is because the Avs weren't going to trade either Byram or Girard without being sure that they were going to be able to lock-up Devon Toews first. That happened in October and now that it has, one of the massively obvious reasons why we have that giant hole at #2C is because we have a d-man playing on the 3rd pairing that is either making $3.85M or $5M... either way you slice it, that's not going to work long-term.

Besides, what version of Cap Friendly are you looking at ? The one that has 13 forwards and 8 d-men currently counting towards the cap? The Avs could choose to send down Caleb Jones and Chris Wagner (risking losing them on waivers but still) and keep MacDermid as the extra D/F and then they'd have $2.425M in cap space for the trade deadline.

THEN, if they still needed more cap space and needed to create more, if they can't straight up move Ryjo to another team, they could just put him on waivers and if no one picks him up, they can send him down for roughly an extra $1M in cap space buried in the AHL. So that's around $3.5M in cap space.

For reference, Casey Mittelstadt's cap hit is $2.5M this year.
as far as trading Bo and Girard, won’t happen because the big part of Avs identity is the blue line which provides majority of the offense for this team. They’re not gonna break that up
 
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