Rumor: 23-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part Trois: The Road to the Deadline

[Murzu]

They can just name RyJo captain when we swap them

I like your style. You shall be my AGM.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Good luck getting the Flyers to give up a 6'5" forward.

We can give up RyJo and MacDermid to make it happen

 

[Gruyeriev]

We can give up RyJo and MacDermid to make it happen

If only Danny Briere wasn’t butt hurt from his short stint here. What was it exactly? Usage? Minutes?

 

[expatriatedtexan]

If only Danny Briere wasn’t butt hurt from his short stint here. What was it exactly? Usage? Minutes?

If I remember correctly, it was mostly that he sucked donkey balls here.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

If I remember correctly, it was mostly that he sucked donkey balls here.

Should have tried those Rocky Mountain Oysters instead.

 

[niwotsblessing]

Oh please.

McJesus has 1.53 PPG in the playoffs + 1.51 in the regular season. There is only so much one player can accomplish in a team sport. Even Gretzky and Lemieux only lifted cups when they were on ridiculously stacked teams.

Hmm, I guess sarcasm doesn't come through well in this electronic medium.

 

[Bender]

So it's been mentioned in recent days that depth (or 'dep') as Patrick Roy would say - and having lots of it could compensate for a lack of star power in the playoffs.

I don't necessarily subscribe to that theory - I personally believe that you do need depth but having the right kind of players that are -> appropriately slotted <- for a long playoff run is probably more important than having a whole bunch of extra options but players that don't necessarily play the way you need to in the playoffs to win.

The Avs have been guilty of having too many of the same type of players over the years and it's cost them. We all know who these guys are : Nieto, Jost, Dries, Newhook, Andrighetto, G.Bourque, etc..

Now we've got Olofsson and Kiviranta - who are again, in that mold. Not particularly efficient in any area. Not great on faceoffs, not physical and not hard to play against. If these guys become fill-in players because we added guys who are any one of those characteristics then I'm fine with it. Otherwise, it's lack of foresight.

So don't look now but Ross the Boss is currently on track for a 45 point season. That's not exactly a 50 point #2C but it's close especially when you consider that he's been playing 3rd line minutes for the majority of the season. So then the question becomes, could the Avs view him as that guy on the second line since there doesn't appear to be a lot of other options and they could grab 2 or 3 third/fourth line players to add to the group instead?

I'm just throwing it out there. This is NOT my favourite option because I believe that it makes for an unbalanced lineup and a guy who is probably improperly slotted. Having Wood-Colton-LOC as a 3rd line is fantastic and that's a line that could wreak havoc in the playoffs as long as Line #1 and Line #2 are doing their job as well.

 

[The Abusement Park]

So it's been mentioned in recent days that depth (or 'dep') as Patrick Roy would say - and having lots of it could compensate for a lack of star power in the playoffs.

I don't necessarily subscribe to that theory - I personally believe that you do need depth but having the right kind of players that are -> appropriately slotted <- for a long playoff run is probably more important than having a whole bunch of extra options but players that don't necessarily play the way you need to in the playoffs to win.

The Avs have been guilty of having too many of the same type of players over the years and it's cost them. We all know who these guys are : Nieto, Jost, Dries, Newhook, Andrighetto, G.Bourque, etc..

Now we've got Olofsson and Kiviranta - who are again, in that mold. Not particularly efficient in any area. Not great on faceoffs, not physical and not hard to play against. If these guys become fill-in players because we added guys who are any one of those characteristics then I'm fine with it. Otherwise, it's lack of foresight.

So don't look now but Ross the Boss is currently on track for a 45 point season. That's not exactly a 50 point #2C but it's close especially when you consider that he's been playing 3rd line minutes for the majority of the season. So then the question becomes, could the Avs view him as that guy on the second line since there doesn't appear to be a lot of other options and they could grab 2 or 3 third/fourth line players to add to the group instead?

I'm just throwing it out there. This is NOT my favourite option because I believe that it makes for an unbalanced lineup and a guy who is probably improperly slotted. Having Wood-Colton-LOC as a 3rd line is fantastic and that's a line that could wreak havoc in the playoffs as long as Line #1 and Line #2 are doing their job as well.

If we go into the post season with Colton as the 2C we aren’t winning a round.

 

[Bender]

If we go into the post season with Colton as the 2C we aren’t winning a round.

Again, that wouldn't be my favorite option but I'm wondering how C-Makic see it.

They really need to get a Nelson or Mittelstadt level of player because then everyone below slots down to where they should be. Even the nuclear option (Hertl) is better than wasting another year not having made the right moves.

 

[Grigowski]

If we go into the post season with Colton as the 2C we aren’t winning a round.

If this happens, CMAC needs to be fired on the spot. Period. No more excuses. He got his joker last season, when everyone on this team was injured and he decided to wave the flag in april.

 

[EdAVSfan]

I think CMac and co are definitely waiting for news on Nuke and Landeskog. Their availability or lack thereof makes a difference on the moves they make.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Again, that wouldn't be my favorite option but I'm wondering how C-Makic see it.

They really need to get a Nelson or Mittelstadt level of player because then everyone below slots down to where they should be. Even the nuclear option (Hertl) is better than wasting another year not having made the right moves.

I mean if they see that it’s fine to roll Colton as the 2C in the playoffs thats a real problem.

 

[chet1926]

I think CMac and co are definitely waiting for news on Nuke and Landeskog. Their availability or lack thereof makes a difference on the moves they make.

It shouldn't make a difference, neither is capable of playing 2C.

Not too mention the fact that if you are reactionary and not proactive as a GM you are most likely going to fail. Got to attack problems not react to them.

Unfortunately CMac has proven to be very reactionary so we get the bottom of barrel choices and have a roster that is poorly constructed.

 

[TruePowerSlave]

Hmm, I guess sarcasm doesn't come through well in this electronic medium.

To be fair there are so many wild takes here that you can´t tell the difference anymore. Like many genuinely believe it´s McDavid´s fault that the Oil don´t have a cup yet.

 

[henchman21]

If Colton ends up the plan at 2C, it will be time to get some new voices in the front office.

 

[Avs_19]

Colton as 2C would be the exact same mistake as last year when they went with Compher based on his regular season, even though we all knew that wasn't going to cut it in the playoffs.

Different mistakes than the hope and prayers with guys like Jost and Newhook though!

 

[the_fan]

Colton as 2C would be the exact same mistake as last year when they went with Compher based on his regular season, even though we all knew that wasn't going to cut it in the playoffs.

Different mistakes than the hope and prayers with guys like Jost and Newhook though!

I think that depends if they have a better 3C than Eller or Newhook. Going with Colton as 2C won’t be ideal, but if they have better 3rd and 4th line centers, it could work. Just for an example, if you have center depth of MacK, Colton, Gourde, Dowd, that’ll work, but not if you have Eller and Olofsson behind Colton

 

[Freaky Styley]

I think that depends if they have a better 3C than Eller or Newhook. Going with Colton as 2C won’t be ideal, but if they have better 3rd and 4th line centers, it could work. Just for an example, if you have center depth of MacK, Colton, Gourde, Dowd, that’ll work, but not if you have Eller and Olofsson behind Colton

Well Gourde is better than Colton, so he'd be 2C

 

[AllAboutAvs]

My take is the Avs most likely have an idea when Nuke is coming back. They most likely have a pretty good idea as well if Landy is coming back for the playoffs having him now here in Denver. He is looking pretty good on the ice in the past few days. With those guys coming back my question is:

How can anybody think this team is poorly constructed:
Drouin - Mack- Mikko
Landy - 2C - Nuke
Wood - Rosco - Lehky
Parise/Cogs - Parise/Cogs - LOC
Kovalenko - Wagner - Olofsson - Kiviranta

Toews - Makar
Girard - Mason
Johnson - Byram
Malinski - Jones

All that this team needs is one move. We all know what that move is: 2C. IMO they are one move away from being a stronger team on paper than the '22 team that won a SC. I say on paper because it depends on which Landy is coming back.

 

[the_fan]

Well Gourde is better than Colton, so he'd be 2C

If you have MacK, Colton, Gourde, Dowd you can mix and match the lines anyway you want

 

[the_fan]

Somehow trade RyJo, get Gourde with retention and get Dowd

Nuke-MacK-Mikko
Lehky-Gourde-Drouin
Landy-Colton-Wood
LOC-Dowd-Cogs/Kovalenko

 

[John Mandalorian]

My take is the Avs most likely have an idea when Nuke is coming back. They most likely have a pretty good idea as well if Landy is coming back for the playoffs having him now here in Denver. He is looking pretty good on the ice in the past few days. With those guys coming back my question is:

How can anybody think this team is poorly constructed:
Drouin - Mack- Mikko
Landy - 2C - Nuke
Wood - Rosco - Lehky
Parise/Cogs - Parise/Cogs - LOC
Kovalenko - Wagner - Olofsson - Kiviranta

Toews - Makar
Girard - Mason
Johnson - Byram
Malinski - Jones

All that this team needs is one move. We all know what that move is: 2C. IMO they are one move away from being a stronger team on paper than the '22 team that won a SC. I say on paper because it depends on which Landy is coming back.

Having a legitimate 2C the entire year vs 2 months shouldnt be dismissed. Having the 2C for all or most of the season allows Bednar to lighten the TOI load on several other players.

 

[chet1926]

If Colton ends up the plan at 2C, it will be time to get some new voices in the front office.

I'd say it's already time for some new voices there. It's clearly gotten stale, and their ideas are garbage that isn't working.

I really don't care that CMac hasn't even had a 2nd trade deadline. He's shown literal nothing and shows no signs of addressing the issues.

Throwing bandaid players, 40 year basically retired players at massive holes isn't it. Never has been, never will be.

Parise for example would have been a nice signing, had we not had massive 2nd line problems. But when you have the 2nd line problem, singing Parise is a bad move/completely worthless move as it takes away money and didn't solve any issues.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

Having a legitimate 2C the entire year vs 2 months shouldnt be dismissed. Having the 2C for all or most of the season allows Bednar to lighten the TOI load on several other players.

Yeah you are right. They took a gamble with RyJo and it failed. All they have to do is fix it.

 

[TruePowerSlave]

Yeah you are right. They took a gamble with RyJo and it failed. All they have to do is fix it.

I wouldn´t even call it a gamble.

RyJo was never going to work, especially on a Bednar team. Either they didn´t scout the player, just completely forgot what brand of hockey the coach plays or were cheap as usual and said f*** it.