Rumor: 23-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part Trois: The Road to the Deadline

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hockeyfish

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Noobie question: Can someone explain me the dynamic between a team waiving/player clearing waivers? Player needs to show up to AHL or hes without a team or what?
Players who are no longer waiver exemp need to pass through waivers before being assigned to an AHL team. If a player has a no move clause, they can refuse the process. If a player doesn't have a NMC and refuses to report to the AHL, they will likely have their contract terminated. When a contract is "buried" in the AHL, the team will get cap relief for either the full amount of the contract, or 1,150,000, whichever is smaller.
 
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You missed the point. The reason GM's wait at the deadline to make trades is for cap purpose. GM's have deals locked for days in advance but wait at the last day to make the trades.

Unlike, say, trading for Henrique there's no reason to wait at the trade deadline to make a Byram for CM swap, they can do it at anytime. This is an offseason trade if anything.
There are no cap space implications for us at least. Since we have been over the LTIR threshold all year, we haven't been accruing cap space. It's dollar in, dollar out.

The only way that trade timing matters for us would be one of two scenarios: 1) we are sending more salary to the other team that's been accruing cap space and they need to wait to fit it in (very unlikely, would only come into play with a Byram + RyJo trade), 2) the other team has a stingy owner that cares about the difference of thousands of dollars in actual dollars paid (again, this scenario requires us to trade more dollars than we take in).

The more likely reason trades are held up is that GMs are playing poker about what assets to give up (1st rounder vs 2nd rounder, top prospect vs middling prospect) or that the team is on the fence about whether they should be sellers (for example, Nashville maybe).
 

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How much for zegras and vatrano.

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NOTENOUGHRYJOTHINGS

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Maybe you haven't watched enough games then my pal. Because Mikko sure as hell has proven that he can drive a line, and can take the team on his back. Anyone saying otherwise, I'm sorry to be blunt, you haven't watched the f***ing games in the last few years and have no idea what you are talking about. So shut the f*** up.

I can't for the life of me understand why we are still having this discussion. The reason Mikko doesn't drive his own line at the moment is the fact that Bednar likes him and MacKinnon together. As simple as that. It's not about his ability, it's that Bednar doesn't like to spread the wealth. He thinks the best way to win is putting all of the eggs in one basket. I don't really agree, but he's the coach.
The fact that Mikko doesn't drive his own line at the moment is that current Mikko does not seem capable of doing so.

It's a catch 23 situation with his shit bird attitude this season.
 
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Maybe you haven't watched enough games then my pal. Because Mikko sure as hell has proven that he can drive a line, and can take the team on his back. Anyone saying otherwise, I'm sorry to be blunt, you haven't watched the f***ing games in the last few years and have no idea what you are talking about. So shut the f*** up.

I can't for the life of me understand why we are still having this discussion. The reason Mikko doesn't drive his own line at the moment is the fact that Bednar likes him and MacKinnon together. As simple as that. It's not about his ability, it's that Bednar doesn't like to spread the wealth. He thinks the best way to win is putting all of the eggs in one basket. I don't really agree, but he's the coach.
Maybe he isn't the right coach anymore
 

Bender

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Maybe you haven't watched enough games then my pal. Because Mikko sure as hell has proven that he can drive a line, and can take the team on his back. Anyone saying otherwise, I'm sorry to be blunt, you haven't watched the f***ing games in the last few years and have no idea what you are talking about. So shut the f*** up.

I can't for the life of me understand why we are still having this discussion. The reason Mikko doesn't drive his own line at the moment is the fact that Bednar likes him and MacKinnon together. As simple as that. It's not about his ability, it's that Bednar doesn't like to spread the wealth. He thinks the best way to win is putting all of the eggs in one basket. I don't really agree, but he's the coach.
Mikko absolutely CAN and HAS been able to drive his own line in the past. That's absolutely true.

Having said that, he certainly has not done that this year or been nearly good enough to justify that $9.25m salary on most nights this season even if the production is there.

You can put that on coaching or not but even while coasting on Mack's line he's had a massive ton of lazy moments and if you want to contest that then it is you who isn't watching the games.
 
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hockeyfish

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I believe when they clear, they’re still part of the team and still have the cap hit unless they send him to AHL

Edit: and they just announced that Kuznetsov was sent to AHL Hershey Bears, so he’s still part of Caps organization but they get the cap relief.

Which makes me wonder why can’t the Avs do the same with RyJo. Just waive him, and if he clears, send him to AHL
They can. But the cap savings in sending RyJo to Loveland and calling up someone like Oloffson is only 375,000. Maybe at some point that amount becomes important, but it's pretty small.
 

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Yeah, I don’t know how I should feel about kerfoot coming back should that happen, I guess it depends on the cost. It just gives me flashbacks of the eller deadline. This can’t be the only move if we are to waste assets and bring him in or I’ll be pissed as a fan… and the other move(s) had better be much bigger to make sense on this one imo.
 

The Pwnerer

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I can see it already.

Cmac: "We were looking to bolster our top six and center position. Kerfoot knows the system well and has had success with our organization. He should fit in seamlessly within our top six".

Barf.
 

AvsCOL

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I’ll be sick if that happens. Don’t forget that in 18-19, he played 12 games and had 3 assists in the playoffs.
 
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