Rumor: 23-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part Trois: The Road to the Deadline

[henchman21]

Friday will be an intolerable day either way.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

Friday will be an intolerable day either way.

 

[John Mandalorian]

I don't understand comments like this.

CNap - hey K-von,.I'm calling you about Mittlestadt, what do you want for him ? Malinski and a 2nd round pick?
K.Adams - surely you jest!? How about Makar?
CNap - alright how about Byram ? You'd probably have to kick-in something else though.
K.Adams - we kick-in something else? I think it's the other way around. Casey's on pace for another 60 point season and your boy is playing on the bottom pair.
CNap - ok fair point but when Byram was an integral part of a Stanley Cup Final, your boy was coming off a 19 point season.
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It's just an example of a stalemate on how each team could view the players involved in that hypothetical trade. That's why it's not 'just something that would have been done already'... I can easily see both points of view but the Sabres are not the ones that have a need for the playoffs...time is on their side.

Do you get the feeling things are also being complicated by trying to trade Johansen?

It kind of makes you wonder if that might be the signal that a bigger move is incoming. They'll eventually find a RD that they can trade RJ and the 1st for. After that, you might expect a separate trade announced for a forward.

 

[the_fan]

It’s more like…..

K. Adams - Hey CMac, I’m calling back and ready to make a deal for Mittelstadt.

CMac - I’m sleeping right now, I’ll get back to you.

Some time later…

CMac - Hey Kevyn, is Mittelstadt still available?

K. Adams - Sorry CMac, but not anymore

CMac - Hey Kyle, I’m calling about Lars Eller (as the trade deadline ending in few minutes)

Dubas (knowing CMac is desperate) we are asking for a 2nd round pick for Lars, but since you don’t have a 2nd, how about Eller + 3rd for your 1st?

CMac - Done!

 

[VikingAv]

Do you get the feeling things are also being complicated by trying to trade Johansen?

It kind of makes you wonder if that might be the signal that a bigger move is incoming. They'll eventually find a RD that they can trade RJ and the 1st for.

Oh, god, it's going to be RyJo and a couple of 1sts for Laughton and Walker, isn't it?
"We have a 2C for two more years now"........

 

[NateTheGreat]

If they end up getting Wennberg along with another top 6 player like Guentzel or Buchnevich I’d be satisfied. If it’s just Wennberg then yeah I’ll be disappointed.

 

[Alienblood]

Agreed but it does not seem like CMac's plan. He seems to want to build the future as much as possible while making little moves here and there and praying the top guys win out. Just look at what he has done since being named GM. Nothing he has done says "win now"

It seems like Joe was happy with the 1 Cup as well. I think he's been told to keep the team competitive for as long as possible to make money

 

[VikingAv]

I don't understand comments like this.

CNap - hey K-von,.I'm calling you about Mittlestadt, what do you want for him ? Malinski and a 2nd round pick?
K.Adams - surely you jest!? How about Makar?
CNap - alright how about Byram ? You'd probably have to kick-in something else though.
K.Adams - we kick-in something else? I think it's the other way around. Casey's on pace for another 60 point season and your boy is playing on the bottom pair.
CNap - ok fair point but when Byram was an integral part of a Stanley Cup Final, your boy was coming off a 19 point season.
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It's just an example of a stalemate on how each team could view the players involved in that hypothetical trade. That's why it's not 'just something that would have been done already'... I can easily see both points of view but the Sabres are not the ones that have a need for the playoffs...time is on their side.

I would easily do a Byram/Mitts swap, but I don't see why Buffalo would do such a deal, without a BIG sweetener. They need Mitts a lot more than they need Byram. Dahlin, Power and Samuelsson are all LHD, and Dahlin already play a lot on the right side. In addition they have a functioning RyJo on the left side who seems to have played well in his first season.

I feel a deal like that would only happen if a three-way was agreed, where Buffalo send Byram to someone who have RHD to spare, like LA (signing Roy) or Vancouver (Willander).

Unfortunately for us, Ottawa also have a full left side on D. Could help if some team acquire Chychrun in the next few days, but these kind of deals seem to be more likely to haoppen in the off season, imo.

Wouldn't surprise me if we actually do end up with Wennberg and Dumbass this deadline

 

[Bender]

Do you get the feeling things are also being complicated by trying to trade Johansen?

It kind of makes you wonder if that might be the signal that a bigger move is incoming. They'll eventually find a RD that they can trade RJ and the 1st for. After that, you might expect a separate trade announced for a forward.

I think if the Avs needed RyJo's cap space they could trade him to Chicago or another willing team for a 2nd round pick and his cap hit would be gone right now.

They aren't going to do that unless they are making another move where his cap space being gone is necessary.

I think right now, they are probably trying to include him in a transaction where they are already paying a top pick where maybe they add a little more to that for the other team to take him. If that can't happen and they have something else lined up, I think they'll do the first part.

 

[NOTENOUGHRYJOTHINGS]

Thinking about it more weakening the defense when Makar has been a poor man's Keith Yandle this season is not going to be good.

 

[Balthazar]

I don't understand comments like this.

CNap - hey K-von,.I'm calling you about Mittlestadt, what do you want for him ? Malinski and a 2nd round pick?
K.Adams - surely you jest!? How about Makar?
CNap - alright how about Byram ? You'd probably have to kick-in something else though.
K.Adams - we kick-in something else? I think it's the other way around. Casey's on pace for another 60 point season and your boy is playing on the bottom pair.
CNap - ok fair point but when Byram was an integral part of a Stanley Cup Final, your boy was coming off a 19 point season.
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It's just an example of a stalemate on how each team could view the players involved in that hypothetical trade. That's why it's not 'just something that would have been done already'... I can easily see both points of view but the Sabres are not the ones that have a need for the playoffs...time is on their side.

You missed the point. The reason GM's wait at the deadline to make trades is for cap purpose. GM's have deals locked for days in advance but wait at the last day to make the trades.

Unlike, say, trading for Henrique there's no reason to wait at the trade deadline to make a Byram for CM swap, they can do it at anytime. This is an offseason trade if anything.

 

[hockeyfish]

You missed the point. The reason GM's wait at the deadline to make trades is for cap purpose. GM's have deals locked for days in advance but wait at the last day to make the trades.

Unlike, say, trading for Henrique there's no reason to wait at the trade deadline to make a Byram for CM swap, they can do it at anytime. This is an offseason trade if anything.

Unless they are trying to land another D 1st.

 

[John Mandalorian]

I think if the Avs needed RyJo's cap space they could trade him to Chicago or another willing team for a 2nd round pick and his cap hit would be gone right now.

They aren't going to do that unless they are making another move where his cap space being gone is necessary.

I think right now, they are probably trying to include him in a transaction where they are already paying a top pick where maybe they add a little more to that for the other team to take him. If that can't happen and they have something else lined up, I think they'll do the first part.

It wasnt always the case though where trading Johansen was a 2nd. That only became a reality at the half way point (going by the 6M rule of thumb).

You make a good point about the "other" move.

Incidentally, whenever the Avs have played Arizona, Ive had the vibe that Dumba is auditioning to some extent. Could be wrong.

 

[Balthazar]

Unless they are trying to land another D 1st.

Still makes no sense.

 

[forsbergavs32]

Thinking about it more weakening the defense when Makar has been a poor man's Keith Yandle this season is not going to be good.

Depends. If they bring in a depth D-man that’s gonna be rough. But if they bring in a top 4 guy that could allow the Avs to let Makar rest some before the postseason

 

[BobRossColton]

Sean Walker, mittelstadt+UPL

 

[EdAVSfan]

Still makes no sense.

Why wouldn’t it make sense if they want to make sure they land a big fish Dman before moving one out?

 

[LOFIN]

It really doesn't matter. Mikko is not the kind of player you break the bank for, great production on a line with Nate or not. At least for me he isn't. Never proved he can run his own line. Pasta and Kuch are very different kind of animals for example.

Maybe you haven't watched enough games then my pal. Because Mikko sure as hell has proven that he can drive a line, and can take the team on his back. Anyone saying otherwise, I'm sorry to be blunt, you haven't watched the f***ing games in the last few years and have no idea what you are talking about. So shut the f*** up.

I can't for the life of me understand why we are still having this discussion. The reason Mikko doesn't drive his own line at the moment is the fact that Bednar likes him and MacKinnon together. As simple as that. It's not about his ability, it's that Bednar doesn't like to spread the wealth. He thinks the best way to win is putting all of the eggs in one basket. I don't really agree, but he's the coach.

 

[the_fan]

When MacK missed games last year and year before, Mikko absolutely carried the team

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

To the surprise of no one

When MacK missed games last year and year before, Mikko absolutely carried the team

That's why I wish Bednar would split them up.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

 

[hpbuschmann]

Noobie question: Can someone explain me the dynamic between a team waiving/player clearing waivers? Player needs to show up to AHL or hes without a team or what?

 

[hockeyfish]

To the surprise of no one




That's why I wish Bednar would split them up.

I wouldn't be suprised if that happens when Nuke gets back.

Drouin-Mack-Nuke
Leky-warm body-Rants.

 

[the_fan]

Noobie question: Can someone explain me the dynamic between a team waiving/player clearing waivers? Player needs to show up to AHL or hes without a team or what?

I believe when they clear, they’re still part of the team and still have the cap hit unless they send him to AHL

Edit: and they just announced that Kuznetsov was sent to AHL Hershey Bears, so he’s still part of Caps organization but they get the cap relief.

Which makes me wonder why can’t the Avs do the same with RyJo. Just waive him, and if he clears, send him to AHL

 

[Avsfan1921]

Yeah, we’ve all had frustrations with Rantanen off and on over the years, outside of @JH21 I suppose, but let’s not get carried away with hyperbole. He absolutely can and has carried this team at times and the only reason it would make sense to trade him is for cap restructuring purposes and, to a lesser extent, depth.

Whatever trade happens if we were to trade him would surely be a “loss” but sometimes you have to lose the battle to win the war and who am I to say that an elite first line is more or less effective than a mere quality first line with added depth? All I know is that my preference is to balance out the allocated costs as we spend too much at wing, and to a lesser extent, defence imo.