Rumor: 23-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part Trois: The Road to the Deadline

[The Moops]

Are people seriously wanting Kuznetsov?

Think about it this way, the team fixers could buy in bulk, save the team a little money

 

[AllAboutAvs]

Mmm. See what I think it means is we won't be able to replace him.

But this conversation is what it is.

If you mean replacing with another player well yeah that doesn't happen often. In fact rarely. You replacing him with multiple players and having a team that is way better built/balance. The Avs would still have two superstars in their lineup. Other teams are lucky to have only one and they still contend because they are built better.

 

[Muffin]

If he wants a fresh start, he gets to go to the AHL or he should agree to terminate his contract. Nobody is trading for him.

No way he leaves all that money on the table.

 

[JH21]

NJ traded for Meier, VAN traded for Lindholm, CGY traded for Huberdeau (yes he was the best player at the time) and Weager and they all got worst. There are other examples out there about teams getting top players at the TDL and getting worst. Trading the best player in a trade doesn't mean you always lose the trade. You might take a hit the first year but it is often for the best long term IF, and it is a big IF) you don't f**k up the trade.

None of those players are even remotely close to Rantanen.

Find me an example of a team that trades away a top 10 scorer in the league and gets better. Good luck.

 

[UncleRisto]

If you mean replacing with another player well yeah that doesn't happen often. In fact rarely. You replacing him with multiple players and having a team that is way better built/balance. The Avs would still have two superstars in their lineup. Other teams are lucky to have only one and they still contend because they are built better.

Because... those teams always get fleeced and their window closes. That's tongue in cheek, but in fact, I don't think you can find a situation where what you outline has happened.

 

[NateTheGreat]

Are people seriously wanting Kuznetsov?

This is what RyJo has done to us.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

Are people seriously wanting Kuznetsov?

No. I said the only way I'd entertain it is if they traded RyJo for him and got 75% retention (his cap hit would be $1.95M). Otherwise, I wouldn't touch him.

 

[The Moops]

None of those players are even remotely close to Rantanen.

Find me an example of a team that trades away a top 10 scorer in the league and gets better. Good luck.

Huberdeau was 3rd in league scoring the summer he got traded. Florida got better from that trade

 

[Mighty Makar]

No. I said the only way I'd entertain it is if they traded RyJo for him and got 75% retention (his cap hit would be $1.95M). Otherwise, I wouldn't touch him.

This is the only way I’d be okay with it.

 

[JH21]

If you mean replacing with another player well yeah that doesn't happen often. In fact rarely. You replacing him with multiple players and having a team that is way better built/balance. The Avs would still have two superstars in their lineup. Other teams are lucky to have only one and they still contend because they are built better.

So are we struggling to contend with Rantanen?

We have the 7th best winning percentage in the league. We have scored the most goals and are 16th in goals against. All with Nichushkin missing 21 games, Lehkonen missing 35 games and Girard missing 21 games.

I've showed you how we can fit them all in and yet you are still dug in. Just quit man.

Huberdeau was 3rd in league scoring the summer he got traded. Florida got better from that trade

That was an outlier year. He had 61 and 78 points the years prior. Huberdeau was a good player at the time of the trade but not on Rantanen's level of consistency.

Calgary is sure liking that trade hey? They basically went from a playoff contender to being a laughing stock after trading Tkachuk.

 

[JH21]

This is the only way I’d be okay with it.

I'd rather have MacDermid at 1.95m than Kuznetsov at 1.95 mil. Or Johansen at 4 mil.

Dudes a cancer. Stay away.

 

[Freaky Styley]

No. I said the only way I'd entertain it is if they traded RyJo for him and got 75% retention (his cap hit would be $1.95M). Otherwise, I wouldn't touch him.

I don't think the Avs brass would be willing to give up assets just to take another wild card swing at the position when by all accounts RyJo is a good teammate and one of the Avs most important players also has addiction issues. Maybe them going through it together galvanizes them but it's a lot of risk with very little potential upside. Kuznetsov hasn't performed much better than Ryjo when on the ice.

 

[The Moops]

That was an outlier year. He had 61 and 78 points the years prior. Huberdeau was a good player at the time of the trade but not on Rantanen's level of consistency.

Calgary is sure liking that trade hey? They basically went from a playoff contender to being a laughing stock after trading Tkachuk.

You asked for a top 10 player getting traded and the team getting better. Call it an outlier all you want, but that's exactly what happened with Huberdeau

 

[The Abusement Park]

That was an outlier year. He had 61 and 78 points the years prior. Huberdeau was a good player at the time of the trade but not on Rantanen's level of consistency.

Calgary is sure liking that trade hey? They basically went from a playoff contender to being a laughing stock after trading Tkachuk.

He had 61 and 78pts in 55 and 69 games... 115pts may have been his peak season but it wasn't that much of an outlier.

 

[dahrougem2]

No way he leaves all that money on the table.

Of course not, thus he does not get a fresh start despite his request unless he is ok with AHL hockey.

 

[JH21]

You asked for a top 10 player getting traded and the team getting better. Call it an outlier all you want, but that's exactly what happened with Huberdeau

Nobody had Huberdeau as a top 10 player even when he had that year scoring.

He had 61 and 78pts in 55 and 69 games... 115pts may have been his peak season but it wasn't that much of an outlier.

Oh so he couldn't stay healthy and wasn't reliable too?

 

[The Abusement Park]

Oh so he couldn't stay healthy and wasn't reliable too?

Covid shortened seasons.... Like dude do you pay attention to literally anything other than the box score?

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

 

[Ceremony]

"We'll give you this guy at 50% retained for a 7th rounder"

No

"We'll let you just take the guy for nothing at full salary"

Yes!!!

Not sure this has been thought through.

 

[Vk1ing]

Make the Coke line happen you cowards!



but on a serious note I hope he gets help if that's still a thing. And we don't need him at 8 million

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Kuznetsov could still be key to some teams, but not at $8m.

With substantial salary retained, he might be able to provide a bump in some team’s offense.

On sparse occasions, you can see the talent still drip off of him.

Might be a gram slam for somebody.

Ideally though, you don’t want to be behind the eight ball and make a mistake bringing him into your dressing room.

 

[hockeyfish]

 

[UncleRisto]

Kuznetsov could still be key to some teams, but not at $8m.

With substantial salary retained, he might be able to provide a bump in some team’s offense.

On sparse occasions, you can see the talent still drip off of him.

Might be a gram slam for somebody.

Ideally though, you don’t want to be behind the eight ball and make a mistake bringing him into your dressing room.

Yes, agreed.

 

[forsbergavs32]

Kuznetsov could still be key to some teams, but not at $8m.

With substantial salary retained, he might be able to provide a bump in some team’s offense.

On sparse occasions, you can see the talent still drip off of him.

Might be a gram slam for somebody.

Ideally though, you don’t want to be behind the eight ball and make a mistake bringing him into your dressing room.

 

[Tommy Shelby]

Why do people here want every single available player?