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Rumor: 23-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part Trois: The Road to the Deadline

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Question for those more knowledgeable about hockey positions and strategy than me.

Been listening to a few podcasts/local Denver radio interviews lately and a couple of hockey poo-bahs have stated the the NHL has become "positionless" - at least at the forward position: forwards are forwards and talent is talent and speed is speed and it doesn't matter whether you call them wingers or centers. Find the best, most effective combos you can and throw them out regardless of whether they are true wingers or centers.

Which brings us to the Avs. Its been a fait accompli around here and a mantra that the Avs desperately, feverishly need a 2C. But is that really true? I mean, it would be great to have Kadri 2.0 (or even 3.0) but suppose (hell, let's just accept it) that the asking price for even middling centers at the TDL will invoke a gag reflex among fans and Sakic/Mac. I mean, the object of a TDL deal is to make your team better overall - not the same or worse after you trade the talent. If other GM's won't cough up just OK centers without raiding the Avs pantry, at what point is it just not worth it to give up picks/players just to say "OK, we have our 2C" . . .without making the Avs appreciably better?

Question: Is it better to overpay (maybe way overpay) for a true Center or underpay (or use the same money) for a couple of depth wingers that you can mix and match across 4 lines and to hell with positioning?

Please, no "MacFarland is an incompetent moron and is screwing the team" takes. It's not true and doesn't move the needle. Mac-Sakic have been working the phones for weeks/months trying to address this. I'm just wondering what our true pain threshold is to solve a problem . . . that may not be a problem if it can be overcome by volume. Or involves a solution that doesn't net a better team on the ice

What was it Stalin said: "Quantity has a quality all it's own"? Maybe that the answer. I don't know.

Thoughts?
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Centers have more responsibilities than wingers, particularly in the defensive zone. Going with an all-wing line would just exasperate the Avalanche's defensive struggles, and probably be a disaster overall.

With that said, Colorado has never been shy about moving wingers with center experience to the middle of the ice. Colton and Olofsson were wingers last year, and to my knowledge Wagner hadn't played center in at least a few seasons. Helm was moved back to center after many years of playing LW with Detroit. And lest we forget how often Compher, Kerfoot, Jost, and Newhook were bounced back-and-forth between C and W.

That modus operandi has led the club to where they are now: again (eternally?) in need of center help.
 
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Kuznetsov could still be key to some teams, but not at $8m.

With substantial salary retained, he might be able to provide a bump in some team’s offense.

On sparse occasions, you can see the talent still drip off of him.

Might be a gram slam for somebody.

Ideally though, you don’t want to be behind the eight ball and make a mistake bringing him into your dressing room.
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Hanifin would be a huge addition for the Panthers if they get that done. Best d-man available.
 
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1st choice: Brock Nelson, but he may not be available.
2nd choice: Mittelstadt, but that seems like an off-season trade.
3rd choice: Henrique.

CMac's probable choice: Kerfoot, Dowd, or Kuzy on a minimum deal if contract terminated.
 
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JH21 said:
None of those players are even remotely close to Rantanen.

Find me an example of a team that trades away a top 10 scorer in the league and gets better. Good luck.
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Huberdeau has more points in a season than Rantanen which seems to be the only metric you reference
 
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Huberdeau has more points in a season than Rantanen which seems to be the only metric you reference
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Ya. It's too bad we didn't trade Rantanen for him

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More points isn’t better. Put EP next to MacK he’d do even better. Plays a more impactful position than rants too. It’s a great contract for Vancouver
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Yes. He's a good player and that's a nice contract.

But he's like Mitch Marner. Soft as butter. Refuses to go into corners or play a dirty game.

He's elite offensively though but let's see if he can carry his team when the games get tough.
 
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JH21 said:
Ya. It's too bad we didn't trade Rantanen for him



Yes. He's a good player and that's a nice contract.

But he's like Mitch Marner. Soft as butter. Refuses to go into corners or play a dirty game.

He's elite offensively though but let's see if he can carry his team when the games get tough.
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Hits this season:

97
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61
48
47
42
36
36


Those names include Mackinnon, Rantanen, Marner, Matthews, Pettersson, McDavid, Kucherov and Draisital.


Which one of those is Pettersson. And to give you a hint, he's not one of the two at 36.
 
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Because Johansen sucks and we're desperate for a 2C and our GM hasn't done anything.
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Well yeah, he's awful and I hate having to watch him play every game, but we don't have to resort to 5 minutes before the club closes levels of desperate, trying to snag anything with a pulse
 
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So are we struggling to contend with Rantanen?

We have the 7th best winning percentage in the league. We have scored the most goals and are 16th in goals against. All with Nichushkin missing 21 games, Lehkonen missing 35 games and Girard missing 21 games.

I've showed you how we can fit them all in and yet you are still dug in. Just quit man.
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You asked for examples of trading the best players in a trade that worked out. I gave you three. Now you are moving the goal posts to top-10 scorer. One of them was at the time. It doesn't matter if the player is top-10 though because like I said the return would just be better.

I'll quit, not because you are telling me but because it is pointless. Stop looking at just the scoresheet. There is more to the game than points. And if you want to just look at points at least look at point per games. You will at least have a better picture than just points like in the case of Huberseau during the Covid years.
 
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so did we get our 2C from the waivers yet? no? the fact he entered assistance program before shouldnt be a problem for us, looking at some players we currently have... I like the idea to put him with Nuke, call it the Nose Candy Line and blow the competition away :naughty:
 
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