Rumor: 23-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part Trois: The Road to the Deadline

[AvsCOL]

This is one of the more inaccurate, idiotic takes I've seen on this board in a while!

It was tongue in cheek in case you didn’t notice, but thank you.

 

[Tralfamadore]

Paying for past accomplishments is a good way to get into cap hell

Toronto paid their stars for what they might bring in the future and that's clearly worked for them.

 

[NateTheGreat]

Many here thought Devon Toews wasn’t signing for anything under 8M and Pettey for anything under 12M. The 1 RFA year for Pettey plays a part in his AAV but that was something that was already taken into account while making such prediction.

If the Avs go the route of re-signing Mikko, Pettey’s contract extension favours the Avs side of negotiations more than Mikko’s imo.

 

[lionsDen]

I mean if mikko and the Avs could have gone 8 years on both cake and mikko life would be good

 

[Ceremony]

The next time there's one of those "what annoys you most on HF" threads on the main board I'm going to post "referring to rival teams' players by their nicknames". Petey. Stop it, all of you.

 

[The Mars Volchenkov]

Many here thought Devon Toews wasn’t signing for anything under 8M and Pettey for anything under 12M. The 1 RFA year for Pettey plays a part in his AAV but that was something that was already taken into account while making such prediction.

If the Avs go the route of re-signing Mikko, Pettey’s contract extension favours the Avs side of negotiations more than Mikko’s imo.

It’ll be pretty easy for Mikko to argue for more. Pettersson has never outscored Rantanen in a season before, and Mikko’s playoff production is elite.

Points are what get people paid, and the cap is going to go up even more by the time Rantanen’s deal starts.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

What scares me the most in Petey's deal is the full NMC. Mikko with a full NMC for the full duration of his contract would be very bad.

 

[Avsfan1921]

It’ll be pretty easy for Mikko to argue for more. Pettersson has never outscored Rantanen in a season before, and Mikko’s playoff production is elite.

Points are what get people paid, and the cap is going to go up even more by the time Rantanen’s deal starts.

It is weird how people think this can in any way help with Mikkos contract. Some people may prefer petterson the player but they will be sorely disappointed when Rants contract is signed if they think he’ll get the same or less.

Rantanen has frustrated many people lately but he’s still a top point producer and has proven way more than petterson, as well as UFA factoring into price. If he’s the same or less than Mack on his next contract people should count that as a win. Maybe the Avs would be better off restructuring how they allocate money but that is a totally different topic…. Rants deserves to earn more than petterson and will, I’d bet on it.

 

[Mighty Makar]

What scares me the most in Petey's deal is the full NMC. Mikko with a full NMC for the full duration of his contract would be very bad.

That would suck.

 

[UncleRisto]

What scares me the most in Petey's deal is the full NMC. Mikko with a full NMC for the full duration of his contract would be very bad.

What's it matter? It doesn't.

 

[Mighty Makar]

When do we start seeing guys sit out games?

 

[John Mandalorian]

It’ll be pretty easy for Mikko to argue for more. Pettersson has never outscored Rantanen in a season before, and Mikko’s playoff production is elite.

Points are what get people paid, and the cap is going to go up even more by the time Rantanen’s deal starts.

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Rumor: - 23-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part Trois: The Road to the Deadline

Laughton would be JT2C 4.0 Compher > Newhook > RyJo > Laughton. It makes too munch sense not to happen?

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[niwotsblessing]

 

[PAZ]

Many here thought Devon Toews wasn’t signing for anything under 8M and Pettey for anything under 12M. The 1 RFA year for Pettey plays a part in his AAV but that was something that was already taken into account while making such prediction.

If the Avs go the route of re-signing Mikko, Pettey’s contract extension favours the Avs side of negotiations more than Mikko’s imo.

It doesn't play that much of a factor for players like Mikko, comparables only matter so much. If Rants want to get paid and the Avs don't pony up to his demands, another team will.

 

[NateTheGreat]

It’ll be pretty easy for Mikko to argue for more. Pettersson has never outscored Rantanen in a season before, and Mikko’s playoff production is elite.

Points are what get people paid, and the cap is going to go up even more by the time Rantanen’s deal starts.

Oh without a doubt Mikko will and should argue for more based on his production.

Based on a 92.5M cap when Rantanen’s deal kicks in and the %cap of the Pasta and Panarin deals, Mikko should come in around 12.5-12.9M.

If the Avs can get him just over or equal to Mack’s 12.6M, that’ll still be less than the 13.5-14M that’s been rumoured.

 

[NateTheGreat]

It doesn't play that much of a factor for players like Mikko, comparables only matter so much. If Rants want to get paid and the Avs don't pony up to his demands, another team will.

I’m firmly in the trade Rantanen this summer camp even though it would hurt to lose a key player who’s brought us a Cup.

Comparables do matter quite a bit, but there will also be an influx of cap space around the league with the rising cap.

It all depends on what Mikko wants and he has mentioned that having an opportunity to win plays a part. Like you said there’s always the threat of another team willing to pony up for a pending UFA, so if I’m the Avs this is something that needs to be figured out this off-season.

 

[Raucherhusten]

Oh without a doubt Mikko will and should argue for more based on his production.

Based on a 92.5M cap when Rantanen’s deal kicks in and the %cap of the Pasta and Panarin deals, Mikko should come in around 12.5-12.9M.

If the Avs can get him just over or equal to Mack’s 12.6M, that’ll still be less than the 13.5-14M that’s been rumoured.

It really doesn't matter. Mikko is not the kind of player you break the bank for, great production on a line with Nate or not. At least for me he isn't. Never proved he can run his own line. Pasta and Kuch are very different kind of animals for example.

Makar on the other hand will get expensive. We really need some change when his contract is up a couple of years down the road. Keeping Mikko at 12+ will make this even more difficult.

 

[the_fan]

When do we start seeing guys sit out games?

I don’t know, but I would like to see RyJo being healthy scratched soon

 

[NateTheGreat]

It really doesn't matter. Mikko is not the kind of player you break the bank for, great production on a line with Nate or not. At least for me he isn't. Never proved he can run his own line. Pasta and Kuch are very different kind of animals for example.

Makar on the other hand will get expensive. We really need some change when his contract is up a couple of years down the road. Keeping Mikko at 12+ will make this even more difficult.

Completely agree and that’s why in the post above yours I said I’d trade him this summer. I was just talking numbers if they do decide to go that route.

 

[AvBuff]

Question for those more knowledgeable about hockey positions and strategy than me.

Been listening to a few podcasts/local Denver radio interviews lately and a couple of hockey poo-bahs have stated the the NHL has become "positionless" - at least at the forward position: forwards are forwards and talent is talent and speed is speed and it doesn't matter whether you call them wingers or centers. Find the best, most effective combos you can and throw them out regardless of whether they are true wingers or centers.

Which brings us to the Avs. Its been a fait accompli around here and a mantra that the Avs desperately, feverishly need a 2C. But is that really true? I mean, it would be great to have Kadri 2.0 (or even 3.0) but suppose (hell, let's just accept it) that the asking price for even middling centers at the TDL will invoke a gag reflex among fans and Sakic/Mac. I mean, the object of a TDL deal is to make your team better overall - not the same or worse after you trade the talent. If other GM's won't cough up just OK centers without raiding the Avs pantry, at what point is it just not worth it to give up picks/players just to say "OK, we have our 2C" . . .without making the Avs appreciably better?

Question: Is it better to overpay (maybe way overpay) for a true Center or underpay (or use the same money) for a couple of depth wingers that you can mix and match across 4 lines and to hell with positioning?

Please, no "MacFarland is an incompetent moron and is screwing the team" takes. It's not true and doesn't move the needle. Mac-Sakic have been working the phones for weeks/months trying to address this. I'm just wondering what our true pain threshold is to solve a problem . . . that may not be a problem if it can be overcome by volume. Or involves a solution that doesn't net a better team on the ice

What was it Stalin said: "Quantity has a quality all it's own"? Maybe that the answer. I don't know.

Thoughts?

 

[the_fan]

Suter and Lafferty were good moves too

I like Cole on a one year deal. DeSmith is a solid backup. Soucy was a good pickup too. Blueger was a solid pickup too

They’re good up front and in net, but half of their d core is Myers, Zadorov and Cole. That’s not a d core you can win with in the playoffs

 

[Alienblood]

I mean if mikko and the Avs could have gone 8 years on both cake and mikko life would be good

yeah they Matthew's d us

Oh without a doubt Mikko will and should argue for more based on his production.

Based on a 92.5M cap when Rantanen’s deal kicks in and the %cap of the Pasta and Panarin deals, Mikko should come in around 12.5-12.9M.

If the Avs can get him just over or equal to Mack’s 12.6M, that’ll still be less than the 13.5-14M that’s been rumoured.

Gotta trade him if that's the case

 

[BrickNHL]

They’re good up front and in net, but half of their d core is Myers, Zadorov and Cole. That’s not a d core you can win with in the playoffs

Small steps bro

Not going to fix it in one year, they just have to keep making the right moves

 

[the_fan]

Small steps bro

Not going to fix it in one year, they just have to keep making the right moves

That’s not what they think. They just traded bunch of assets for a rental Lindholm and going all in to win it this year. Doesn’t seem like they’re taking small steps. Also remains to be seen if Hughes can handle playoff grinding hockey. If he can’t, Nucks aren’t going anywhere for sure. Regular season is one thing, but playoffs are a different animal

 

[Mighty Makar]

Kuznetsov waived.