Rumor: 23-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part Trois: The Road to the Deadline

[RoyIsALegend]

He hasn’t been in years. He’s taken about as many faceoffs as Kerfoot has won

So... get Kerfoot?

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

So... get Kerfoot?

Bjugstad has won as many faceoffs as Kerfoot has taken and is 6’6”, so I think we found the real 2C (maybe 1C?)

 

[Foppa2118]

Didn't he say they could add that 8.9M player with max retention? If that's the case wouldn't they only be able to add a 4.45M player?

True, with retention. But Tanev is only costing Dallas $1.125M. And Mitts makes $2.5M.

Avs could have found a way to bring in a 2nd to match or better the Stars offer fairly easily. They have expendable prospects worth that much.

And if it was actually the Avs talking to them about giving up a 1st for RJ (which Lebrun was just speculating about) doesn't it seem like Calgary might have held out longer to see if they could get that 1st instead of what they got from Dallas? Or a better offer at least?

So the Avs would give up a 1st and possibly Byram+ like talked about, and lose the puck mobility Bednar loves, to shed RJ, when they don't need to right now, and bring in Tanev to play on the 3rd pair, and Mittelsdadt who's on an 18 goal 62 point pace in his contract year?

Seems like a lot for not that much, which isn't really the Avs MO, and the Avs don't move 1st's or young players like Byram easily either.

They had enough to cover Mitts at 100% and Tanev at 50% and give up less than Dallas did. Or pay for 75% retention on Tanev like Dallas and they'd actually SAVE cap space.

With 50% Retention

Tanev - $2.25M
Mittelsdadt - $2.5M
Total = $4.75M

With 75% Retention

Tanev - $1.125M
Mittelsdadt - $2.5M
Total = $3.625M

Byram - $3.85M

 

[the_fan]

Future 2C Henrique just scored. They said he now has 23 pts in his last 22 games. I am not entirely sure but it looks like he is playing 3C.

Yeah, he’s almost on 60 point pace playing for one of the worst teams in the NHL. That’s better than Lindholm this year. Maybe CMac should get Henrique and Gudas as a package deal. If the Avs wanted Tanev as reported, Gudas is a similar player makes 500K less. He’s a playoff warrior.

 

[MarchessaultCantRead]

It would be mind boggling to trade Bo when they've played him on his off side for like 90% of the season. How would they even know what they have?

I think that Byram deserves an extra long leash given what he showed in the playoffs during our Cup run.

How many 22-year-old defensemen are out there playing quality first-pairing/second-pairing minutes?

There sure aren’t many of them and trading someone like Byram, whose value is probably the lowest it’s even been since his last concussion, would be extremely short-sighted and borderline idiotic.

Assets like him are hardly ever available and when they are, they’re worth a fortune! Most dmen are late-bloomers anyway, so trading him for anything less than a massive upgrade is downright unacceptable.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Yeah, he’s almost on 60 point pace playing for one of the worst teams in the NHL. That’s better than Lindholm this year. Maybe CMac should get Henrique and Gudas as a package deal. If the Avs wanted Tanev as reported, Gudas is a similar player makes 500K less. He’s a playoff warrior.

Gudas has two extra years

 

[JH21]

I think what he showed in the playoffs during our Cup run should give him some extra leash.

How many 22-year-old defensemen are out there playing quality first-pairing/second-pairing minutes?

There sure aren’t many of them and trading someone like Byram, whose value is probably the lowest it’s even been since his last concussion, would be extremely short-sighted and borderline idiotic.

Assets like him are hardly ever available and when they are, they’re worth a fortune! Most dmen are late-bloomers anyway, so trading him for anything less than a massive upgrade is downright unacceptable.

I’m with you. And is Byram actually having a down year anyways or is it just the narrative in here where everyone complains about our players and says how much better other teams players are?

 

[Avs44]

So... get Kerfoot?

By God, a genius in our midst.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

I think that Byram deserves an extra long leash given what he showed in the playoffs during our Cup run.

How many 22-year-old defensemen are out there playing quality first-pairing/second-pairing minutes?

There sure aren’t many of them and trading someone like Byram, whose value is probably the lowest it’s even been since his last concussion, would be extremely short-sighted and borderline idiotic.

Assets like him are hardly ever available and when they are, they’re worth a fortune! Most dmen are late-bloomers anyway, so trading him for anything less than a massive upgrade is downright unacceptable.

True.

 

[the_fan]

Gudas has two extra years

Which means Ducks probably won’t retain salary and that could be a problem. Avs probably wanted Tanev as a rental

 

[JLo217]

I think something might happen by Friday.

Just a guess.

We still got like 2-4 hours in the day depending where ya are

 

[the_fan]

So... get Kerfoot?

We gonna joke about this until it becomes a reality

 

[Foppa2118]

With the Avs cap space, and Byram's cap hit, the most likely scenario looks to me that they made the MacDermid cap dump trade to free up room to just give up futures and ADD at the deadline.

So Henrique, Kovalenko, and maybe an RD like Savard.

Perhaps Nedeljkovic too, but with how Annunen and Prosvetov have played, they may decide to pass on a goalie trade.

 

[BobRossColton]

How about jack McBain as a 4C and vejmelka?

 

[GeoRox89]

No idea why we’re talking about him but Tanev is thanking ever deity out there that we didn’t pick him up. Like the guy and he could’ve been helpful except for being made of glass. He would’ve been in contention for the Av with the least ability to stay healthy. In 11 seasons since being a regular (before this year) he’s managed to play 82 games (or the equivalent in the two Covid years) 3 times and routinely has missed 15-50% of the season. The poor man would’ve been in the morgue before his plane even landed in Denver if we traded for him

 

[Foppa2118]

I’m with you. And is Byram actually having a down year anyways or is it just the narrative in here where everyone complains about our players and says how much better other teams players are?

It's both really.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I think that Byram deserves an extra long leash given what he showed in the playoffs during our Cup run.

How many 22-year-old defensemen are out there playing quality first-pairing/second-pairing minutes?

There sure aren’t many of them and trading someone like Byram, whose value is probably the lowest it’s even been since his last concussion, would be extremely short-sighted and borderline idiotic.

Assets like him are hardly ever available and when they are, they’re worth a fortune! Most dmen are late-bloomers anyway, so trading him for anything less than a massive upgrade is downright unacceptable.

A lot more than you think.


Also, Bo isn't even one of them.

 

[chet1926]

I’m with you. And is Byram actually having a down year anyways or is it just the narrative in here where everyone complains about our players and says how much better other teams players are?

Yes, compared to expectations. Lots of nights he's just there to be there. Complete passenger. Other nights flashes the potential. Unfortunately the nights he flashes are very minimal compared to the passenger nights.

This should have been the year he separated himself from Girard and been the clear cut better player and he simply isn't.

Not saying he's a bust, just that he's not hitting his stride here. He still has good value, and if he can help us get a longer term 2C solution, it should be highly considered.

 

[Gruyeriev]

So... get Kerfoot?

 

[MarchessaultCantRead]

A lot more than you think.


Also, Bo isn't even one of them.

I didn’t say that he was, but how many have shown to be able to do it consistently for multiple years before turning 23? I’m sure your list grows considerably smaller.

It’s one thing to break out, but it’s an entirely different thing to do it consistently once the league has the book on your game and knows all of your weaknesses.

There’s usually a huge adjustment period for dmen, and Byram already has 8 goals in a “down year” with virtually 0 PP time.

Sakic has mentioned, multiple times, that the only way that you get dmen like Byram is through the draft/very fortunate trades, so I’m sure that he’s not going to sign off on just giving Byram away.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I didn’t say that he was, but how many have shown to be able to do it consistently for multiple years before turning 23? I’m sure your list grows considerably smaller.

It’s one thing to break out, but it’s an entirely different thing to do it consistently once the league has the book on your game and knows all of your weaknesses.

There’s usually a huge adjustment period for dmen, and Byram already has 8 goals in a “down year” with virtually 0 PP time.

Sakic has mentioned, multiple times, that the only way that you get dmen like Byram is through the draft/very fortunate trades, so I’m sure that he’s not going to sign off on just giving Byram away.

Tends to be what actually separates the great ones from the ok ones. Byram is quickly trending towards the second group.


Nobody, not a single person, is suggesting we simply "Give Byram away". Trading him for a quality 2C is simply dealing from a position of strength for a position of significant weakness.

 

[MarchessaultCantRead]

Tends to be what actually separates the great ones from the ok ones. Byram is quickly trending towards the second group.


Nobody, not a single person, is suggesting we simply "Give Byram away". Trading him for a quality 2C is simply dealing from a position of strength for a position of significant weakness.

Dmen development is not linear. For someone like Byram, it’s totally reasonable that he’s not as good as he can be until his mid-20s.

Like I previously said, trading him for a massive upgrade would be understandable, but I just don’t see that upgrade.

Every available 2C right now is not a massive upgrade that’s worth giving up Byram, so it’s just a moot point even bringing him up.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Dmen development is not linear. For someone like Byram, it’s totally reasonable that he’s not as good as he can be until his mid-20s.

Like I previously said, trading him for a massive upgrade would be understandable, but I just don’t see that upgrade.

Every available 2C right now is not a massive upgrade that’s worth giving up Byram, so it’s just a moot point even bringing him up.

Incorrect. On both.

 

[MarchessaultCantRead]

Incorrect. On both.

Give me your list then sir!

Haha I’m sorry, I thought that my 13 years of NHL front office experience allowed me to have my own opinion on this sport.

Thank you for proving me otherwise!

 

[expatriatedtexan]

So... get Kerfoot?