Rumor: 23-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part Trois: The Road to the Deadline

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Sure, if you are just talking about a rental. Which is obviously not what the Avs are looking for at this point.

According to who? You?

Every player the Avs have been reliably linked to so far, has been a pure rental. Monahan, Lindholm, Henrique, and now Tanev.

I'd like to think they're trying to get someone with term or at least an RFA but we haven't really been given a real indication that's what they're doing yet.


But, even if that is the plan. We dont have to worry about next year right now. Just have to worry about the cap for the rest of this run.

 

[JLo217]

I don’t get the point of making this move to wait. Injuries happen.

 

[LOFIN]

According to who? You?

Every player the Avs have been reliably linked to so far, has been a pure rental. Monahan, Lindholm, Henrique, and now Tanev.

I'd like to think they're trying to get someone with term or at least an RFA but we haven't really been given a real indication that's what they're doing yet.


But, even if that is the plan. We dont have to worry about next year right now. Just have to worry about the cap for the rest of this run.

I do think they were looking for the rental market, because the best options were rentals and it wouldn't cost you Bo/Girard. Now, things have shifted. Other than Henrique, there are no good rentals out there. So need to dig deeper. And it would require trading out Bo/Girard as the main piece. There is no reason to go after Tanev other than the fact that they are moving out Bo/Girard. I don't think getting another D-man is a bad idea, but of Tanevs caliber? Nah, absolutely no need.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I do think they were looking for the rental market, because the best options were rentals and it wouldn't cost you Bo/Girard. Now, things have shifted. Other than Henrique, there are no good rentals out there. So need to dig deeper. And it would require trading out Bo/Girard as the main piece. There is no reason to go after Tanev other than the fact that they are moving out Bo/Girard. I don't think getting another D-man is a bad idea, but of Tanevs caliber? Nah, absolutely no need.

I dunno, Tanev makes sense if they want to get A) A heavy PK minutes guy, B) Move Manson down to 3rd pairing, C) Another right shot.

I think a Tanev add made a lot of sense even with no intentions of trading Bo/G. Tanev would have perfectly balanced the Defensive roster heading into the playoffs and allowed 3 Top 4 quality pairings.


Toews - Makar
Girard - Tanev
Byram - Manson

With a LD and a RD on each pairing, a strong puck mover on each pairing, and a more defensive guy on each pairing.

Especially if they're thinking maybe they can get Henrique without having to use a 1st, I could see why they were looking at Tanev for RyJo + 1st.

 

[NOTENOUGHRYJOTHINGS]

According to who? You?

Every player the Avs have been reliably linked to so far, has been a pure rental. Monahan, Lindholm, Henrique, and now Tanev.

I'd like to think they're trying to get someone with term or at least an RFA but we haven't really been given a real indication that's what they're doing yet.


But, even if that is the plan. We dont have to worry about next year right now. Just have to worry about the cap for the rest of this run.

I think you'll see a longer term solution.

 

[LOFIN]

I dunno, Tanev makes sense if they want to get A) A heavy PK minutes guy, B) Move Manson down to 3rd pairing, C) Another right shot.

It just doesn't when you think about the asset cost and how much more we need the #2C. That's like saying it would make sense to get Jake Guentzel, because why not get another scoring winger?

Let's be real here, our D-corps is top-5 in the league as it stands. Our center depth is probably bottom-5 of the league. You don't need to boost the defence as it stands, just get insurance with a depth guy. However, if you trade out Byram, you would need something more than a depth defenseman.

 

[hockeyfish]

I don’t get the point of making this move to wait. Injuries happen.

Likely wanted to stay at a 22 man roster for cap reasons, needed to drop a guy when Nuke comes back, and wanted to keep Wagnar up. Better to get the pick now thandeal with Dermy on waivers.

 

[Sea Eagles]

Trading Byram away (in my opinion) would be as disappointing to me as when we traded Boychuk away - I know people will disagree, but hot damn Johnny could play some damned hockey.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I think you'll see a longer term solution.

I hope so. It's now or never for Byram IMO given his trajectory the last 2 years.


But I really just dont think our management has it in them to pull that kind of deal off.

 

[John Mandalorian]

It just doesn't when you think about the asset cost and how much more we need the #2C. That's like saying it would make sense to get Jake Guentzel, because why not get another scoring winger?

Let's be real here, our D-corps is top-5 in the league as it stands. Our center depth is probably bottom-5 of the league. You don't need to boost the defence as it stands, just get insurance with a depth guy. However, if you trade out Byram, you would need something more than a depth defenseman.

They could be considering trading Manson once his MNTC activates in June. In that case, maybe theyre hoping to re-sign Tanev as a replacement? Since hes a little older, he'd likely cost less money. The increased cap might affect this too though. You have to wonder if theyd try to sell high on Manson after he was injured so much last year.

 

[Foppa2118]

Trading Byram away (in my opinion) would be as disappointing to me as when we traded Boychuk away - I know people will disagree, but hot damn Johnny could play some damned hockey.

It would be mind boggling to trade Bo when they've played him on his off side for like 90% of the season. How would they even know what they have?

 

[Richard Doll]

I think the Tanev trade would have been a precursor to a deal moving Byram for a 2C.

I’m against moving Byram just to move him, but this is a down year for him, and I think they may want to capitalize on his value while he still has it, for a non rental 2C.

 

[Foppa2118]

I still think that a deal with BUF has been done for a few days now for a 2C with Byram going the other way. Avs are getting cap space to fit Byram's replacement on D.

But they don't need cap space. If Casey Masisak is correct then they can add an $8.9M player.

Mittelsdadt's cap hit is $2.5M. Which is $1.35M cheaper than Byram's, so they'd save money in a trade, they wouldn't need to clear any.

Replacement player shouldn't have been a hurdle either. They could have traded for Tanev, even without moving RJ, since cap space isn't an issue.

If the Avs were that interested, seems like Calgary would have waited for them to make a better offer.

 

[the_fan]

We should get Schmaltz from Arizona

 

[NOTENOUGHRYJOTHINGS]

I hope so. It's now or never for Byram IMO given his trajectory the last 2 years.


But I really just dont think our management has it in them to pull that kind of deal off.

On the Avs at least, it's never.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

We should get Schmaltz from Arizona

Why? He’s another winger

 

[AllAboutAvs]

But they don't need cap space. If Casey Masisak is correct then they can add an $8.9M player.

Mittelsdadt's cap hit is $2.5M. Which is $1.35M cheaper than Byram's, so they'd save money in a trade, they wouldn't need to clear any.

Replacement player shouldn't have been a hurdle either. They could have traded for Tanev, even without moving RJ, since cap space isn't an issue.

If the Avs were that interested, seems like Calgary would have waited for them to make a better offer.

It might not be about cap space. I think they just want to secure another dman before moving Byram. I might be wrong.

 

[dahrougem2]

But they don't need cap space. If Casey Masisak is correct then they can add an $8.9M player.

Mittelsdadt's cap hit is $2.5M. Which is $1.35M cheaper than Byram's, so they'd save money in a trade, they wouldn't need to clear any.

Replacement player shouldn't have been a hurdle either. They could have traded for Tanev, even without moving RJ, since cap space isn't an issue.

If the Avs were that interested, seems like Calgary would have waited for them to make a better offer.

Didn't he say they could add that 8.9M player with max retention? If that's the case wouldn't they only be able to add a 4.45M player?

 

[BobRossColton]

So do we think something else happens tomorrow? Sunday?

 

[RoyIsALegend]

So do we think something else happens tomorrow? Sunday?

I think something might happen by Friday.

Just a guess.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

Wasn't it last year the Avs did all their moves on Fridays?

 

[AslanRH]

Think folks are reading too much into Dermy leaving. His cap was buriable/waivable so that doesn't matter
He wasn't getting ice time here, and there are guys down in Loveland and even more always available TDL that can sit in his spot and offer more when it matters.
This doesn't necessarily foretell a pending trade.

 

[the_fan]

Why? He’s another winger

I thought he was a center

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

I thought he was a center

He hasn’t been in years. He’s taken about as many faceoffs as Kerfoot has won

 

[AllAboutAvs]

Future 2C Henrique just scored. They said he now has 23 pts in his last 22 games. I am not entirely sure but it looks like he is playing 3C.