Boston Bruins 22-‘23 Bruins roster and trade proposals discussions. VII

[Mione134]

Calgary would give him away for free if they could

Good. Let them give him to us for free. I have no issues getting a vet for the 4th line in the playoffs.

You don't think Looch would be fired up for one more round here? Last hurrah? I do

 

[JoeIsAStud]

Good. Let them give him to us for free. I have no issues getting a vet for the 4th line in the playoffs.

You don't think Looch would be fired up for one more round here? Last hurrah? I do

Awesome is that going to make him skate better than he can now. the fear with Lucic is he'd just be chasing around the puck all game, because he can't keep up with the pace of the action

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Good. Let them give him to us for free. I have no issues getting a vet for the 4th line in the playoffs.

You don't think Looch would be fired up for one more round here? Last hurrah? I do

He isn’t a good hockey player now. And a terrible fit for what we’re doing. Nostalgia is great - let’s keep it there.

 

[Mr Cartmenez]

Didn’t Lindholm stink before we got him? Hall did. Zacha wasnt great. Why do we care about stats when they are on horrible teams?

I wouldn't say stink, but he didn't shine to the degree that Ducks fans would have given him the 8 year extension he received from Boston.

So yes, they have to identify the players that either need a change of scenery or new motivation. ROR and even Toews come to mind. These guys are proven champions and were important pieces to their teams. O'Reilly is only 31 and strikes me as someone who should age well with his skillset. I wouldn't mind trading for him and extending him if Krejci calls it quits.

 

[Matt8871]

After the Greer fight last night i'm all in for Looch. We have no tough guys. If the B's can work something out with the Flames at the deadline that would be fine with me. Looch's value shouldn't be that expensive plus he can be the 10th forward.

So Greer should fight Schenn, but not Simmonds? He’s a spot picker until he isnt? Its honestly a horrible time to fight and i couldnt give a rats ass whether he won or not. We dont need fighters or tough guys. We need to win games.

 

[Dizzay]

He isn’t a good hockey player now. And a terrible fit for what we’re doing. Nostalgia is great - let’s keep it there.

Respectfully disagree that he's not a good fit! Buddies with the guys in the locker room, always well respected every place he plays, and he can still hit, fight, and intimidate. I'm not acquiring the guy to score 27 goals and ride shotgun with Krejci. 13th forward/4LW is a great fit!

 

[Dr Quincy]

Good. Let them give him to us for free. I have no issues getting a vet for the 4th line in the playoffs.

You don't think Looch would be fired up for one more round here? Last hurrah? I do

So he's not fired up now to compete and help his team into the playoffs? Why would anyone want to add a guy that might not be fired up to do his job and compete already?

 

[CellyHard]

sure…but why would he do that?
From a business perspective.
A team either makes the player a qualifying offer or he can be a UFA.
He can then shop himself everywhere.

If he goes UFA he can’t get an 8 year deal.

So in the off-season he goes I want to go to here. Bruins work only the

I wouldn't say stink, but he didn't shine to the degree that Ducks fans would have given him the 8 year extension he received from Boston.

So yes, they have to identify the players that either need a change of scenery or new motivation. ROR and even Toews come to mind. These guys are proven champions and were important pieces to their teams. O'Reilly is only 31 and strikes me as someone who should age well with his skillset. I wouldn't mind trading for him and extending him if Krejci calls it quits.

ROR is definitely a buy low but I raise you a Tyler Bertuzzi. He’s had some really bad injury luck but we’re talking about a first line talent player when healthy. He plays postseason type hockey and would benefit from a change of scenery.

Shooting is at 2% this year. Is it from the broken wrists or just unlucky??

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

Respectfully disagree that he's not a good fit! Buddies with the guys in the locker room, always well respected every place he plays, and he can still hit, fight, and intimidate. I'm not acquiring the guy to score 27 goals and ride shotgun with Krejci. 13th forward/4LW is a great fit!

He can’t skate anymore. He’s putting up awful numbers despite being in the bottom 10 percentile for quality of competition. And he’s really expensive. He’s friends with guys though.

 

[PB37]

If he goes UFA he can’t get an 8 year deal.

So in the off-season he goes I want to go to here. Bruins work only the

ROR is definitely a buy low but I raise you a Tyler Bertuzzi. He’s had some really bad injury luck but we’re talking about a first line talent player when healthy. He plays postseason type hockey and would benefit from a change of scenery.

Shooting is at 2% this year. Is it from the broken wrists or just unlucky??

After the Mitch Miller fiasco, there's no chance the Bruins roll the dice on a basket case like Bertuzzi.

 

[sarge88]

He isn’t a good hockey player now. And a terrible fit for what we’re doing. Nostalgia is great - let’s keep it there.

2/3 of this board thought Foligno was going to be useless and the Bruins were going to be lucky to be inside the top 10 in the conference by Thanksgiving, based on little more than their opinion of Foligno’s skill/skating and how they assumed the Bruins injuries would weaken them.

A funny thing happened though…a guy who is known for being a tough, proud, hardworking leader found a way to make himself an important player and a team full of guys who seem to really, really like and respect each other said screw you to the doubters and just played right and played hard.

Far too often people overlook heart, pride and camaraderie.

I’m not saying the above attributes are the be all and end all, and there were other factors involved, obviously, but a lot of players don’t rebound like Foligno has and a lot of teams can’t overcome 1/2 the injuries the Bruins did early in the season.

Lastly, and IMO this will emerge as a bigger and bigger motto of this team as the year wears on, do not discount the “win it for Bergy” aspect of what is going on.

Which brings me to Lucic. Is he the 2011 version? Absolutely not!

Is he likely to want to come here and do they want him?

Probably not.

But if you entirely discount the possibility that on this team, this year, for and with Bergeron and Krejci, that he couldn’t find a way to play a positive role, then you haven’t paid enough attention to sports and you’re not factoring in the pride and determination of a guy who has shown he has it in spades for over a decade now.

 

[Gee Wally]

If he goes UFA he can’t get an 8 year deal.

So in the off-season he goes I want to go to here. Bruins work only the

ROR is definitely a buy low but I raise you a Tyler Bertuzzi. He’s had some really bad injury luck but we’re talking about a first line talent player when healthy. He plays postseason type hockey and would benefit from a change of scenery.

Shooting is at 2% this year. Is it from the broken wrists or just unlucky??

Huh?

Whomever has him can offer an 8 year contact……but…huge but…..his QO is 10M. Just to retain those rights. Unless out of the goodness of his heart he agrees to re-sign prior to that rfa trigger. But that would be nuts. His current contract was designed to do just this. A poisoned pill of sorts.

 

[Gee Wally]

After the Mitch Miller fiasco, there's no chance the Bruins roll the dice on a basket case like Bertuzzi.

agreed, not in a million years. Not after MM.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

2/3 of this board thought Foligno was going to be useless and the Bruins were going to be lucky to be inside the top 10 in the conference by Thanksgiving, based on little more than their opinion of Foligno’s skill/skating and how they assumed the Bruins injuries would weaken them.

A funny thing happened though…a guy who is known for being a tough, proud, hardworking leader found a way to make himself an important player and a team full of guys who seem to really, really like and respect each other said screw you to the doubters and just played right and played hard.

Far too often people overlook heart, pride and camaraderie.

I’m not saying the above attributes are the be all and end all, and there were other factors involved, obviously, but a lot of players don’t rebound like Foligno has and a lot of teams can’t overcome 1/2 the injuries the Bruins did early in the season.

Lastly, and IMO this will emerge as a bigger and bigger motto of this team as the year wears on, do not discount the “win it for Bergy” aspect of what is going on.

Which brings me to Lucic. Is he the 2011 version? Absolutely not!

Is he likely to want to come here and do they want him?

Probably not.

But if you entirely discount the possibility that on this team, this year, for and with Bergeron and Krejci, that he couldn’t find a way to play a positive role, then you haven’t paid enough attention to sports and you’re not factoring in the pride and determination of a guy who has shown he has it in spades for over a decade now.

And the world is littered with guys with a ton of heart who couldn’t play any more. We have precious few spots to upgrade and even less cap space and assets to open it up. I’d like to spend it on guys who have proven they can play now - just as I wouldn’t want to go for trade for last years version of Nick Foligno either.

To pay assets to get Lucic double retained instead of a real difference maker is a huge mistake in my eyes - not that it’s going to happen anyway because no one is trading for Lucic.

 

[Gee Wally]

And the world is littered with guys with a ton of heart who couldn’t play any more. We have precious few spots to upgrade and even less cap space and assets to open it up. I’d like to spend it on guys who have proven they can play now - just as I wouldn’t want to go for trade for last years version of Nick Foligno either.

To pay assets to get Lucic double retained instead of a real difference maker is a huge mistake in my eyes - not that it’s going to happen anyway because no one is trading for Lucic.

it pains me but I agree. For all you have listed. The fog of nostalgia is tough to overcome. But hes no where near what he was in any category and his contract is crippling.
Love the guy but big no way for me.

 

[sarge88]

And the world is littered with guys with a ton of heart who couldn’t play any more. We have precious few spots to upgrade and even less cap space and assets to open it up. I’d like to spend it on guys who have proven they can play now - just as I wouldn’t want to go for trade for last years version of Nick Foligno either.

To pay assets to get Lucic double retained instead of a real difference maker is a huge mistake in my eyes - not that it’s going to happen anyway because no one is trading for Lucic.

As always, the merits of every single acquisition in sports relies on the cost and the performance of the player.

I’m not suggesting giving up L or L for him, but I wouldn‘t be against it in the right deal.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

As always, the merits of every single acquisition in sports relies on the cost and the performance of the player.

I’m not suggesting giving up L or L for him, but I wouldn‘t be against it in the right deal.

But the right deal involves double retention, and involves taking a roster spot from someone who is better. Which isn’t hard or expensive to find.

 

[DominicT]

As always, the merits of every single acquisition in sports relies on the cost and the performance of the player.

I’m not suggesting giving up L or L for him, but I wouldn‘t be against it in the right deal.

Even at the right deal, and paying a third team to retain cap, acquiring Lucic prevents you from acquiring someone else that could have a bigger impact then the ghost of Milan Lucic.

 

[LavioletteScores]

Yeah, I don't think folks realize the cap comeuppance happening next year (if the cap only goes up a million) and removing salary from the D group, while still trying to keep it good, is going to be the cleanest path to remaining competitive.

Agreed. Having those four locked up for the foreseeable future makes you able to go discount on the bottom pairing. To be fair, the only thing I hope they do in the summer is sign a #2 center if Krejci doesn't return. The rest of their bottom six should be able to be filled with prospects/cheaper signings.

 

[dugg133]

Respectfully disagree that he's not a good fit! Buddies with the guys in the locker room, always well respected every place he plays, and he can still hit, fight, and intimidate. I'm not acquiring the guy to score 27 goals and ride shotgun with Krejci. 13th forward/4LW is a great fit!

He’s on 5.25mil cap hit, even if Calgary retains 50% that’s still too much for a guy that would be the 13th forward by your own admission. Also he f***ing stinks now, we do not need him.

 

[Mione134]

I don't care. I'd still take back Looch for a playoff run no matter how much hes lost a step. Guys like him are valuable. That's all I gotta say.


I know nostalgia is a bitch. But I'd do it. I'm not a GM so it's not happening. But a girl can dream.

 

[sarge88]

Even at the right deal, and paying a third team to retain cap, acquiring Lucic prevents you from acquiring someone else that could have a bigger impact then the ghost of Milan Lucic.

Fair enough.

I think that maybe I could have substituted the following for what I said in that post.

(and this is truly not specific to anyone, just about a lot of fans in general)

I often get frustrated by the frequent opinions that are “absolute” in nature.

Yes this is an opinion forum, and I probably know less than 80% of the people here, but I’ve been around long enough to know that current or past performance doesn’t guarantee future performance.

Am I romanticizing Lucic because he’s among my 10 favorite players?

Maybe.

But, I could probably list a hundred or more players who the consensus here was wrong about….either for a single game, series, season or career.

This is why I rarely talk in absolutes here or in real life.

 

[DominicT]

Lettieri with his injury, can't be sent back to Providence. Bruins couldn't activate JDB before the break and bank cap space because of that or they would have been over the cap. And we're going to acquire Lucic?

And, after just checking, there can't be double retention on Lucic so your stuck with half his cap hit if Calgary would retain.

Like it or not Hockey is a business first.

The business of acquiring Lucic makes zero sense.

Fair enough.

I think that maybe I could have substituted the following for what I said in that post.

(and this is truly not specific to anyone, just about a lot of fans in general)

I often get frustrated by the frequent opinions that are “absolute” in nature.

Yes this is an opinion forum, and I probably know less than 80% of the people here, but I’ve been around long enough to know that current or past performance doesn’t guarantee future performance.

Am I romanticizing Lucic because he’s among my 10 favorite players?

Maybe.

But, I could probably list a hundred or more players who the consensus here was wrong about….either for a single game, series, season or career.

This is why I rarely talk in absolutes here or in real life.

So, we posted at the same time.

You're right. Every one of us is wrong time to time.

But hockey is a business first. Lucic makes no business sense

 

[sarge88]

Lettieri with his injury, can't be sent back to Providence. Bruins couldn't activate JDB before the break and bank cap space because of that or they would have been over the cap. And we're going to acquire Lucic?

And, after just checking, there can't be double retention on Lucic so your stuck with half his cap hit if Calgary would retain.

Like it or not Hockey is a business first.

The business of acquiring Lucic makes zero sense.


So, we posted at the same time.

You're right. Every one of us is wrong time to time.

But hockey is a business first. Lucic makes no business sense

I fully understand now.

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

So much pining for Lucic when in reality Lauko would bring more to the ice than what #17 would. He's way too slow to get in on the forecheck anymore, dmen aren't going to be shaking in their boots. Puck will be gone and up the ice before Lucic can smell their cologne.

Too many people letting their emotions cloud their judgement.